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Wow we are so lucky with the thanksgiving?

So I havent been playing FGO for the past two months or so apart from sometimes just login once a day and exit, part of the reason I dont play it now is the repetitive grinding shit that you have to do and to do that effectively you literally have to spend countless quartz for event CEs but thats not my point, I think this game is very petty when it comes to rewarding, you get countless free shit servants like Eliza for God knows how long and then you get thrown one or two useful servants like Shiki, Kintoki and Chloe and lo and behold thanksgiving arrives and what do you get 3 tickets, my God 3 tickets! We can literally get anything we want from these enormous amount of 3 tickets *Sarcasm intendend*, btw I just checked my friend list and out of 50+ friends I have more than 20 havent logged in for more than 3 months and they seem to be whales too coz they got good SSRs, I guess this game get repetitive even for whales. On a side note when will the Eliza shit stop its literally sickening how many versions that little bitch has?

Thank you for listening to my rant and I just wanna if there are some of you who also got bored of the same repetitive shit?

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Next halloween you get an Alterego Elizabeth (is a new class, strong against calvary class, weak to knight class)...and that's the last of them.

Sadly, cuz I wanted Foreigner Liz, like, Chaos Elizabeth from Extella /feelsbadman.

Farming limited events is a pain, even if they give you a lot of rare materials, as I have a 5* AOE Lancer (Lartoria, who is also a buster servant like loli jalter), I am considering not dedicating myself towards clearing the 5 boxes of next christmass.

Seriously, I dont get how there are people showing print-screens of 40+ NeroFest boxes cleared in some places, when I could barely push myself to complete mere 10 boxes (which I did mostly for the medals for Saberlot, Mordred and Lartoria). Doing the farm of the same nodes over and over provokes serious corrosion of my sanity...and I really want to go back to the plot (in the middle of Murrica yet).

I've been playing FGO for the past 2 months or so, part of the reason I play it is because of the grinding shit that doesn't require much mechanical effort that I can do while watching anime or playing other games, and while I realize it's perfectly possible to play using F2P servants without being completely demoralized by whales and comparing myself to them, I still spend thousands of dollars for waifus because I can. Because that's what the game is for after all, enjoying the story and collecting waifus. I'm such a hopless weeb that it's worth it just to have my waifus even if they are pretty useless. I've never expected any rewards at all from one of the biggest money leeching mobile games of my generation, so I wasn't the least bit surprised when they gave us another Eli. I never use her, but I do like to check her out in her skimpy armor while running away from the feds because that's what, uh, she's for and there are people who are going to grail her for memes. There's a voice in the back of my head that complains that every single welfare servant isn't Kintoki Rider tier, but my voice of reason is thankfully louder, reminding me not to feel entitled when it comes to free things in a mobile game of all things. Thankfully my expectations have been realistically low, and while I indeed am feeling the repetitive nature of this game full force, I enjoy it all the more while spending a fortune because that's the kind of degenerate person that I am and that's what you gotta do to enjoy this game as it was intended. If I weren't, I would've joined the inactive people in the three-month club (Why anyone keeps people inactive for over 3 days is beyond me).

I'm whaling hard for Merlin, where my bois at??

Edit : Opened 107 Nero boxes

Nice pic

I second this, it's goddamn amazing ahahahahaha

If this was my first type of game like this, then yea I'd probably have noped out less than a month in (I joined during this summer event and god that was a grind to get somewhat caught up with everyone else). But in reality, I actually enjoy it a lot for wasting time coming from an MMO background where everything you set out to do will take you many months.

If you're used to instant gratification games like some shooters and other RPGs I feel like this game would bug the crap out of you. It's a nice way for me to pass the time and I enjoy the lore of Fate and collecting servants so I'm kind of addicted to the grind.

Wait...3 tickets for thanksgiving? How utterly miserable.

That's precisely the reason why most people don't throw money into this game. They have an abusive way of doing business, increasing the perceived value of quartz by giving scarce amounts while keeping their purchasing power extremely low. You save for months, blow your load, you get nothing...what's the point? I can whale that same amount of quartz and get nothing but wasting real money for more Kireis, Shinjis and a couple of Sthenos.

Just with those considerations, any temptation of buying quartz is turned off. Their treatment to F2Ps is so abusive that it's really hard to get people into this game, it's like a masochist trying to invite people to his punishment sessions.

The main attraction of the game for me is the plot and challenging content, because the poor people who liked Fate/Zero probably want to see more of the franchise and they'll eventually find this game and get hooked by the visuals, the story and simple yet endearing gameplay...without knowing the ugly stuff because it's less noticeable when you start

Camelot, for example, was an amazing chapter and one of the reason i'm still here. Camelot was entertaining from beginning to end and left me excited for Babylonia...But then started this dry period where all we get are silly farming events where i mostly go "I REFUSE" jojo style resulting on zero (0) copies of Joint Recital, NP2 Kuro and NP5 Brave Liz with incomplete ascension materials because there's no reason to farm for toys you will never play with.

Having said that, conceptually Grand Order is the most tame of them all. Fate GO is a pretty respectable game on the surface that people can see me playing, unlike those creepy chinese games of ship girls that i prefer to stay the fuck away from. Fire Emblem is also presentable, but the lack of interesting story kills it for me...So FGO is probably the only gacha game i will ever play, only farming when i like the rewards and using the most efficient farming servants i can roll with their miserable giveaways.

Yep, I'm agreed with your statement about the gamer being abusive to F2p. I don't expect to get anything once I rolled the banner, I would roll for Merlin but I doubt 90-ish ticket and 528 sq will counter my F- - rank luck. Even if I go YOLO, it won't erase my F2p terrible luck. The only luck is MLB event CE from drop.

It would be nice if they give us the back button.

The game isn't abusive to F2p players. If it was, we wouldn't be able to clear the game with low stars from the FP gacha. You just need to rethink your standards. You don't need gold servants for this game, it just makes it a bit easier, yes, but are they necessary, no. Waver, for example, is easily replaced by Hans. With a few adjustments to the team comp, it's still quite viable.

If every wellfare servant was Tier 1, then there would be no reason for anyone to try to roll for servants (outside of collecting waifus). I certainly don't blame them for not handing us the best servants in the game for free... That would be kind of ridiculous. They are a business, after all, and businesses exist to make money.

I don't quite get how some of you guys feel that they should "reward" f2p players more. What is it that you guys are doing that makes you feel entitled to rewards? Do you have any idea how much it costs to develop a game, advertise the game, maintain the servers, provide customer service, and continuously release new content with decently written scenarios and servants with detailed artwork and voice acting? They have probably hundreds of millions of dollars invested in this game, and are continuously spending money to keep it operating, yet they allow you to play it for free, without forcing you to see ads or anything like that. I'm kind of surprised to see how entitled everyone seems to feel, when they're already being given so much.

You get to enjoy their intellectual property for free, leech their bandwidth and server resources for free, you get free servants every month to ensure that you can be strong enough to enjoy future content, and you get free saint quartz and summoning tickets now and then, yet you guys feel that you somehow did something that qualifies you to deserve even more than that? Maybe some of you need to spend some time on Thanksgiving, reflecting on the meaning of the holiday.

Here's the long and short if it. If they "reward" the F2P players more, then it decreases the value of purchased quartz. How would you feel if you spent $30 on 30 quartz for a 10-roll today, and didn't get anything good out of it, then the next day, they handed out 30 free quartz to everyone, and a bunch of F2P players got a bunch of sweet SSRs with that quartz? You'd probably feel like it's not worth it to buy quartz anymore, and you'd either turn F2P or just stop playing all together. If they hand out free summons more often, then they also have to decrease the price of quartz, because people won't feel that it's worth it to pay so much for something that gets handed out for free so often. They can't afford to piss off the people who actually spend money on the game, because those purchases are what keep the game running. If everyone stops buying quartz, then the servers will have to shut down, and there will be no more FGO. This is why they can't just hand out all this crap that you guys seem to think that you deserve.

You nailed it, my friend. It's easy to claim the game in unfair and to complain when people don't get the same stuff as people who are willing to invest in the game. "Hurr, rate-up is a lie, durr, screw those gacha rates". I fail to see how people can overlook all the things the game hands out for free, but honestly, during all the time I've playing this game, if there's one thing I know for sure is that people will always find something to complain about.

Thankfully not all the players I deal with are whiny, spoiled little kids who "deserve more". People often forget that this is a game, and that the main point is to have FUN. If you're not having a good time and can't appreciate the things you got, just to cry over the things you didn't get, then why not play something else?

You all guys have like a manual, speaking always with the same disgusting terms and disrespect for the free players that could be doing anything else instead of playing this mobile game and promoting their stuff by doing it. If the average person doesn't buy quartz is because it's overpriced as fuck, you can easily buy the highest quartz pack and get nothing out of it...boom, 80$ to the toilet that you could have spent on worthful stuff. If anything the bad experience as a F2P is the main reason why buying quartz is stupid in the first place, 167 quartz will not get you anything most the time on my f2p experience.

It's probably made this way so 10 guys like you can sustain an entire server because DW has 0 confidence on the capabilities of their game to attract people...they are probably right, so they have to milk the extremely limited whale public with their predatory business practices because they can't survive otherwise.

Maybe you keep hearing the same terms because they are true, and people are just explaining the situation to you objectively. Usually, when you get the same response from multiple people, you can assume that there is some truth to it. If you find the truth to be disgusting and disrespectful, then the problem might be on your end.

I hate to break this to you, but DW probably doesn't really care if you stop playing their game. It literally costs them money to accommodate you as a player. Putting aside costs of developing the game and running a company, it literally costs them money every time you connect to their server, because they are providing bandwidth, server processing, and data storage for your account. So they're literally paying money for you to be able to play their game. You have made it clear that you have no intention to pay them any money, you don't generate any revenue via ads since they don't have ads in the game, and you are actively trying to generate negative publicity for them right now. So you give them nothing, yet you're actually costing them money and actively trying to drive away their customers. Do you really think that they would be sad if someone like that stopped playing their game? I'm not trying to be disrespectful to you; I'm just stating facts.

I suspect that you're under the impression that I'm a whale, but in actuality, I'm completely F2P. I only have one SSR and a handful of SR servants. My gacha luck is probably E-rank at best. So whatever image you have of me, and whatever motivation you think that I have for writing my previous post is probably wrong. I simply wrote what I wrote because it is the objective truth. Would I love more free summoning tickets? Sure. Would I love it if every welfare servant was OP as fuck? Sure. But I absolutely don't feel that I'm entitled to those things, and I can absolutely understand why those things aren't given to us.

I don't know how old you are, but there was once a time when people had to pay $40-$60 for a single video game, and said video game might only provide between 4 and 20 hours of gameplay. For a game that provided endless gameplay (i.e. a MMORPG), you had to pay $50 initially, and then $15 per month of service. So I'm personally pretty happy with the fact that I've never had to spend a dime on this game, and it is high quality and has provided me with countless hours of entertainment. It's truly hard for me to understand how other people could be crying that they feel abused and disrespected by the game company. I just don't see where the sense of entitlement is coming from.

You can obviously say whatever you want about DW's business practices, but it's probably a bit presumptuous to claim that you represent the average person. There are plenty of people who do buy quartz. According to ANN, FGO is raking in about $80,000,000 per month, so I get the feeling that there are more than "10 whales supporting the server", and I doubt that DW is really too interested in your business advice.

I have something against the self-deprecating vocabulary you use. The way you express yourself is the classic stuff you heard from miserable people that don't understand the difference between things that are your fault and things outside your control. Is it the fault of F2Ps that 2 whales spent enough money as to sustain an entire server? No, that's the reason why this model is so profitable, your investment is minimal but your revenue is ridiculously high. The volume of players doesn't matter and attracting more people isn't important either...The only important thing is to keep and milk the whales, because the more money (investment) someone throws at something the harder it will be for them to leave it. Like that one dude who spent 70k$, i'm sure there's people spending way more than that but don't go public about it.

I know they don't care, which is why i'm not writing this to them. DW only cares about themselves, like everybody else. Nobody gives a fuck about DW except the ones who get the sick revenues...Oh wait, i'm wrong! People like you give a lot of fucks to defend their business practices because "people are too entitle and we are parasites, man" like there's nothing abusive about overpriced lootboxes or as if a fixated price tag wouldn't decrease their profits. Should i feel bad about them now? Fuck off! They exploit whales precisely because it's F2P model and that's how this games make their profit.

I'm not giving them business advice, like i said i don't care about DW. What i'm saying is that their treatment to their clients is absolute garbage and their stuff is overpriced af which MY opinion as a player. Unless you are trying to say that spending 240$ to get a copy of a 5* servant out of a lootbox is something we should applaud them for...well by all means, i just really hope you are getting paid for that because if you don't, that's really sad.

I'm sorry that you are averse to my terminology, but as I have only stated facts about how mobile games work, and I haven't actually directed any derogatory statements toward you at all, I'm still fairly certain that this is indicative of an issue on your end. I'm no psychologist, but maybe you've got some subconscious feelings of inferiority as a F2P player, and it's causing you to project those negative feelings onto my statements, and you're interpretating them as some type of personal assault on you. In any case, since you think it's perfectly cool to start off a conversation by calling someone "disgusting", I don't feel particularly inclined to sugar coat my words for your sake. This is just my personal opinion, but since you seem to strongly feel that people should treat you with respect, maybe you should make sure to treat others respectfully as well.

I also don't quite get why you're calling me miserable, when I'm clearly expressing my contentment, and you're the one who is clearly expressing misery. At this point I'm starting to think that you're just trolling, because it doesn't even seem like you're trying to make sense anymore. Fault? Wtf are we even talking about? Are we trying to deduce who killed Colonel Mustard in the library with a candle stick? I thought we were talking about a video game.

And how did you go from "DW abuses F2P players" to "DW overcharges for quartz and treats their clients like garbage"? Those are two completely unrelated things, given that F2P players don't even buy quartz. You completely flipped from trying to defend F2P to trying to defend P2P. Completely swapping your stance like that really makes it seem like you just want to argue, regardless of the subject.

It's this simple. People are willing to collectively spend $80,000,000 per month on quartz, so there are obviously people who feel satisfied with what they get for their money. Why are you complaining about the treatment that those people get, when you aren't even one of them? If they don't feel that it's worth it to spend $240 on a SSR, then they won't do it.

People who don't feel that it's worth the money are free to take advantage of the welfare servants that we get each month, and the servants that we get via the free quartz and the free summoning tickets that we are often handed, in order to fully explore all of the content in the game. There is no content that requires money to unlock. There is no content that can't be cleared using 3* servants and welfare servants. So how is it that F2P players get "abused"? It's not like they force you to watch an advertisement video before you can start each mission or something like that. And even if they did that, it still wouldn't count as abuse, since nobody is forcing you to play the game.

The things that P2P players have are purely for luxury or collection purposes, and are completely unnecessary for you to be able to play the game. If you want the things that those players have, then spend money like those players do. If you can't or don't want to spend money, then you have to either be satisfied without those things, or play another game that suits your needs/desires better. That's just kind of how life works.

I didn't called you disgusting. I called your vocabulary disgusting, because every single people i see using those words and terminology usually don't understand the context of such talk and use it as form of self-loathing to justify anything. I cringe when i read stuff like that, like saying that your time isn't worth shit or that you don't respect yourself, it makes you weak.

My argument was directed towards your "Oh i'm so thankful to DW because i'm f2p, i don't pay a peny and i leech their bandwith blablabla" (leech, like a parasite...see what i mean with self-loathing?) that it's 100% bs because they are using this model for a reason. If they put a price tag like 280$ for a servant i assure you their profit would be waaaaay lower.

The model works precisely because of their whale public. The existence of Moby Dicks is the main reason why F2P are given extremely scarce resources and it's also the reason the prices are that high, it's not about volume but exploiting those whales...I also think they are getting mistreated because lootboxes are predatory, even more considering the low rates.

If you tell someone that something about them is disgusting to you, then it means that you find that person disgusting. You're just splitting hairs. Semantics aside, we both know that you intentionally initiated the conversation in a way that was rude and condescending. If you do things like that, then don't expect people to treat you respectfully. First you wanted to argue that F2P players are abused, then you did a 180 and started arguing that it's P2P players that are abused, and now you want to argue about the dictionary. I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're just so desperate to have the last word that you keep coming up with new topics to argue about.

The rest of what you said in the first paragraph doesn't really make any sense, so I don't even really know how to respond to it. None of my comments were directed towards myself, so it's impossible for them to have been indicative that I don't respect myself.

The term "leech" generally means that you take something without giving anything in return. Is that not an accurate description of what you do? You consume their bandwidth and play their game, without giving them anything back, so the term "leech" fits perfectly. If it is an accurate word, then there is nothing disrespectful about saying it. It's not an insult, it's just a verb that describes an action. If you found the term to be offensive, then it's likely that you have an underlying sense of shame due to your F2P status and it caused you to go on the defensive. But I wasn't using the term as an insult – it was simply the most concise way to say what I wanted to say. You can't expect people to go out of their way to use prettier words so you can hide from the truth and feel better about your actions.

And there is nothing shameful about being F2P. The model allows you to play the game without giving anything back, so there is nothing wrong with doing so. But it *is* shameful if someone gives you something for free and you tell them that you deserve more and that they're abusing you. If you go into McDonald's and they give you a free hamburger, would you pitch a fit and tell them that they're assholes because they didn't give you free fries too? And then go on the internet and write bad reviews about how McDonald's abused you? It's just kind of ridiculous, man.

The existence of whales isn't the reason why F2P gets scarce resources. The existence of whales is the reason why F2P exists at all. There is no other model that will let you play a game of this quality for free. The only other model that could support a game with this level of artwork, this level of music, this level of scenario writing, and frequent, continuous updates with new content... is one where you have to pay for the game before you can even play it, in addition to paying a monthly subscription.

Mimimi "disgusting terms", mimimi "disrespect for the free players" mimimi. Get your head out of your ass and at least spend 2 seconds trying to understand the main point of these comments before you throw your little tantrums and feel offended from your own interpretation of them.

First of all, let go of this little delusion of yours that being a F2P player makes you special, because it doesn't. Whether you throw money into this game or not doesn't make you any less or more as a player, and it doesn't give you any rights that the other type player shouldn't have. You're not entitled to better summon/drop rates, or easier ways to get quartz, or anything of the sort just because buying quartz is too expensive for you.

This might come as a shock for you, but people don't see the world the exact same way as you do. You might find the quartz pack expensive, but some people either don't think the same or simply don't let the "overpriced" packs stop them from spending their money the way they see fit. They are aware that they aren't guaranteed to get anything, and that the odds will be low unless they spend a lot of money. If they still choose to do it regardless, then that's something for THEM to worry about, not for YOU to criticize and judge, specially since I doubt you're an outstanding citizen who donates money for charity or for other noble causes.

Also, this "bad F2P experience" doesn't apply to everyone just because yours is a miserable one. I am a F2P player and I have a lot of fun with this game. Nothing brings me more joy than getting the things I want - be it SSR servants or CEs - with my limited resources, specially when I see people spending huge amounts of money for something I got for free. Even if I have no plans of using some welfare servants anytime soon, I still accept them with open arms. Just like everyone else, the gacha isn't on my side most of the time, but that doesn't keep me from having fun, or annoys me to the point of ranting online to a bunch of strangers that couldn't care less about me.

So spare us the bravado about how F2P have it hard and how the DWs are bullies. You sound no different that those self-entitled feminist sjws, who wants every single benefit they can demand but don't want any of the drawbacks.

"I want 'equal' rights, but if it means losing my gender-specific privileges and/or being drafted into the military, then I don't."

"I want the same acquisition power and benefits as P2P players, but if it means I have to spend money for it like them, then this game sucks and they oppress F2P players."

I won't drag this any further since it's clear that you don't know/refuses to acknowledge how a gacha game works, despite Fear3d's explanation. All I'm going to say is: If you're that unsatisfied being a F2P, either stop complaining and throw some money into the game or go play something else.

Chill out, darling. You are going all psyco and disrespectful for no reason.

Yeah, because it's not disrespectful at all to go out of your way and barge into a conversation to call people disgusting when their opinion is different than yours. All I did was show my counter arguments against your claims, but if that offends you then I won't waste my time.

Also, it's psycho*.

Oh my dear StepOfDeath, starting your argument with "Get your head out of your ass" isn't polite.

You even go full psycho bringing sexual rights into this, at that point i just lost any reason to take you seriously. I love you, have a nice life.

Again, starting a discussion by forcing your indignation into others and making a fuss over their vocabulary is not respectful either, and neither is putting up a passive-agressive, condescending act and treating others like children when they talk back to you. If you expect people to be polite or to respect you when you act like this, then not only you are a hypocrite, but also ignorant and immature.

I only brought up false feminism into this to make a comparison and point out the hypocrisy in your claims, and you keep proving my point with every comment. If that's 'psycho' behavior to you then you might as well write a blog about what you find disrespectful and attach the link to your username, so everyone can know we have to be extra careful with you because if we say a wrong thing you will be hurt and say it's our fault.

You're entitled to your opinion of me, and you're free to keep avoiding the discussion you started. You've always been nothing but words in a screen to me.

Oh yes, you are absolutely right...You have offended me gravely and i have deep emotional wounds now, sunshine. Let me go hide someplace to avoid the discussion i started, i'm so afraid that i'm gonna die.

I hope one day i can be as nonreactive as you. mimimi i'm such an entitled cunt mimimi

You raise some valid points, but let me ask you this: If all the F2Ps suddenly stopped playing, do you honestly believe the game could go on with only the whales? I guarantee that it would probably be dead before a couple of months pass, because even the whales would stop spending if they realised that literally only them are left. F2Ps are important for the longevity of the game too, so throwing them a bone once in a while doesn't hurt DW as much as you imply it would.

As for whether or not the whales would be pissed if DW gave out more SQ, i highly doubt they would even care, just like they don't really care when we get shafted on SQ rewards like we did back at the anniversary. They have already decided they will drop money on this game, and i don't think that giving out some SQ to the entire community would make their decision change. If anything, i think they wouldn't mind, seeing as the F2Ps in their support lists can now roll more on event banners and hopefully get more CEs on their support servants that the whales can use while farming.
And just for the record, i am a dolphin, not an F2P.

I personally don't think that whales would quit playing if F2P players quit, simply because this is a single player game, for all intents and purposes. There is no PvP or Co-op, and you can't interact with other players in any way, so I don't see why it would affect whales if F2P players suddenly vanished, or why they would even notice.

But I do feel that F2P players are a valuable source of advertising. Even if they don't spend money on the game, they might convince their friends and family to start playing, and those people might spend money on the game. So I don't feel that F2P players are useless or anything like that. And since I'm F2P, it's not like I look down on F2P players. I simply feel that, since I don't spend money on this game, it's fairly understandable that I don't have the same stuff as the people who do spend money on it.

I'd absolutely love it if DW just handed me a roster full of SSRs, but I'm also objective enough to realize how unfair that would be to the people who had to spend thousands of dollars for their SSRs. Since there isn't PvP, it's not like my lack of SSRs actually affects my ability to play the game at all. I can still farm in 3 turns and handle challenge quests just fine. This isn't one of those types of games where you need to compete against other people, and being a non-whale puts you at a massive disadvantage.

If they started handing out more quartz, I agree that the super whales would probably keep spending. But that's a select few people, and I'm not convinced that those people actually account for the majority of DW's profits. There are a lot of people who just spend $20-30 here and there, and people who might just buy one quartz pack per month, or people who might only even spend on one banner per year. Those smaller transactions add up to a large sum, when you consider the volume of players, and those types of transactions probably comprise the bulk of the game's revenue. Those type of people would definitely buy less quartz if more quartz were handed out for free. When something is more abundant, it's less valuable. That's just a simple fact of economics, and it applies to almost everything. If quartz became less valuable, then people wouldn't be willing to pay the same price for it. So then DW would have to either lower the price of quartz, to match it's reduced value, or they would sell less quartz.

And even if we set aside the standpoint of economic value, if they give out too much free stuff, it takes away people's reason to spend money. If I can get decked out with SSRs, and obtain all my waifus for free, why *would* I spend money? I know that's an extreme example, but it's also applicable on a smaller scale. And the same thing with the quality of the welfare servants. For example, there are definitely people who avoided rolling for Squirtoria last summer, since they knew that they'd be getting Chloe for free. I'm sure there are people who have seen Ozzy banners, and thought "well, I've already got Kintoki and he does a good enough job, so I'll hold off for now". That's why they can't just give us welfare servants of that quality every time.

And I do certainly agree that it's in DW's best interest to throw F2P players a bone now and then. I just feel like some people are a bit too greedy and expect too much. And some people seem to be under the impression that DW gets some kind of thrill from pissing them off. Like the president of the company is sitting on a throne at the top of a dark tower and cackling manically while revelling in the fact that everyone only gets 3 free summoning tickets for Thanksgiving despite their desire for more. So I was just trying to explain that they're actually just trying to keep a balance, so they don't wind up devaluing their own product or pissing off the people who spend money for their summons.

You know, it's actually pretty funny that you say whales wouldn't quit, because in my opinion, this game is pretty community driven, even if you can't actually interact with other players in-game. The very soul of FGO is its community, that discusses the game on discord/reddit/etc, that creates fan art and comics and shares it, and generally makes people feel a sense of camraderie. If all the F2Ps quit, this community would be pretty much dead overnight. Way less people discussing the game, way less fan art and comics being posted, this sort of thing. This is especially true for the whales, because if you are commited enough to drop money on the game, odds are that you are also going to be involved with the rest of the community on discord and reddit, and therefore you will definitely notice that way less people are now playing. Odds are, if there is almost nobody left to share your passion with, you certainly won't be as motivated to play at the very least.

I agree with your next point, F2Ps indeed have great potential to advertise your game if they find their experience with it satisfactory. Hell, after all, even Touhousniper started playing thanks to one of his friends introducing him to it, and now he's dropped a lot of money on the game. That is exactly why DW should try and treat them at least a bit better. I'm not saying that i want to be given enough SQ to get every single SSR on the game, but the current rewards are extremely underwhelming, especially considering the 1% rates and no safety net on the gacha. Again, i don't expect to get a roster comparable to whale while remaining F2P, but at least having enough SQ to drop a 10 roll in every event banner for a couple CEs should be the norm.

Indeed, the game can be cleared without requiring anything more than what the FP gacha can offer you, but the greatest part about this game is playing with your favorites, most of whom will probably be at least SRs. Sure, you could save some SQ for them, but it's still far from guaranteed that you will pull them, and with the lack of a safety net, you could be saving for months and still fail to pull anything noteworthy, much less what you want. Of course DW is running a business here and they expect people to buy more SQ to roll their favorites, but why would somebody who saved 600+ SQ for his favorite and didn't pull him want to do so? They are far more likely to just ragequit and tell their friends about their negative experience, ultimately damaging the game, than they are to become whales.

Next up, you bring up that casual spenders wouldn't buy as much SQ if we got more. Speaking as the guy that does indeed drop 20-30 here and there, if i felt that the game genuinely rewarded me for taking my time to play it with more SQ than we do now, i would at the very least have a way better experience than i do now, and i would certainly recommend it to more people. Good PR goes a long way towards ensuring the longevity of a game. Not to mention that, again, thanks to their ridiculous gacha rates, more SQ will still probably just result in more 3* CEs for the vast majority of people anyways. Also, i personally would still buy SQ to support the devs that made me feel like i'm more than some mindless talking wallet for them to milk.

Just look at Azur Lane and Girls Frontline, rewards and summoning materials are given out like candy, and yet they still manage to make a very respectable profit. I personally play the first, and i found that i could pretty much summon almost everything on the summon pool by just playing enough. Meanwhile, the devs are active on social media(unlike our social media for FGO NA that feels like it's being handled by a bot), they communicate more with the playerbase, and they generally made me felt like i personally matter to them as a player, not as somebody they can grab cash from. I genuinely found that i didn't need to buy anything they had to offer to me, because i'm generally not one to go out of my way for cosmetic items and upgrades, but they did manage to make me go out of my way to buy something purely because i enjoyed my experience playing their game and wanted to support them by giving something back to them. If FGO treated me the same way, i can guarantee that i would spend more than the amount i currently do.

Again, OP welfares aren't really necessary, but i think you are kinda overgeneralizing here. Ridertoki and Ozy fit different roles and have different niches. Just because i already had Ridertoki doesn't mean that i wouldn't want Ozy, especially since i never run Quick teams so i can't really fully utilize Ridertoki in my team comps anyways. As for the Kuro vs King Archer debate, people still rolled for her despite knowing that Kuro would be coming. Sure, there might have been more people rolling for her if we didn't know Kuro would be coming, but the app still reached No 1 for revenue on the App Store that month.

Finally, some people do indeed act way too entitled sometimes, but they represent a small part of the playerbase. Not to mention that they usually bring up some very real issues, such as the disparity in rewards between JP and NA, which shouldn't be just dismissed as "entitlement".

In any case, i will probably still continue playing the game, even in it's current state, but there are certainly quite a few things that keep it from being a game i would heartily recommend to friends and family. If the devs can address these issues, i would gladly continue spending money, otherwise i don't really see myself spending on anything other than guaranteed banners in the future.

Sorry, I got busy and forgot about this thread. FGO certainly has an active community, and I can only speak for myself, but that fact has no bearing on whether or not I play this game. I play the game because I enjoy it, and if there ever comes a day when I stop enjoying it, then I'll probably stop playing the game, even if the community is 100 times more active than it is now. I would also assume that people who spend a substantial amount of money on the game probably don't have such a weak attachment to it that they'd just drop everything and leave just because there are less memes floating around on Reddit. It's hard for me to imagine that people drop thousands of dollars on a game that they are only playing because it's what all the cool kids are talking about. But I also will admit that I don't generally participate in the community anyway, so maybe it's too hard for me to see things from the viewpoint of someone who does.

The problem with them giving us 30 quartz to use for every event banner is that, like I stated, it would reduce the value of quartz. The more abundant something is, the less it's worth. Similarly, it's worth more if it's more rare. That's not my opinion, it's a proven fact of economics. Gold is more expensive than iron, because it's more rare than iron is. If there is a surplus of bananas, then they will go on sale. If half the banana trees in the world spontaneously combust, and it results in a banana shortage, then bananas will suddenly become much more expensive. It's just the way things work. Similarly, 30 quartz costs like $20. But if they start giving us 30 free quartz for every event banner, then there are lots of people who will start to feel like 30 quartz isn't actually a $20 value anymore. How could it actually be worth $20 if it's something that just gets handed out to you every week? DW would have to reduce the price of quartz to match it's new perceived value. And even if they only have to lower it by some amount that seems minor to us... It becomes a big deal when you consider the massive scale of the playerbase. FGO makes $80 million per month, so even a 10% change is $8,000,000. What company is going to be happy if they wind up making 8 million fewer dollars than they were expecting for the month? Something like that can result in employees getting laid off.

And then there is the fact that demand for quartz would drop as well, since people don't need to buy as much quartz if they're getting it for free. I'm not going to buy quartz for X banner if I was already able to get the servant with my free quartz. So then not only are they selling quartz at a lower price, but they're also selling less of it.

There is surely the possibility that making these changes could result in making the community happier, and it could increase the playerbase. But a balance has to be maintained, because the last thing that DW wants is a huge playerbase that isn't spending any money. The company's operating costs increase as the number of players increase, so they have to make sure that they're increasing the playerbase in a manner that is acompanied by an adequate increase in revenue. I would assume that they have professional analysts that make the decisions about how much quartz should cost, and how much they should give away for free, and how the summoning rates should be, etc. They probably make those decisions based on the data that they've collected over the 4 years or whatever that the game had existed. I'm sure that there is room for improvement in their methods, but the game has been going strong for a good while now, and it's making a lot of money, so I guess they are probably satisfied with the way that they're doing things.

I've never played Azur Lane, but it looks like that game doesn't even bring in 1/10 of the revenue that FGO does, so I doubt that DW is in a hurry to emulate their business model.

I know that Kintoki and Ozzy are different. It might not have been the best comparison. I was just using it as a general example, since they're both ST riders. If you already have the 2nd best ST rider in the game, then you might be slightly less excited about getting the 1st best rider – especially if you've already got him skilled up and grailed. And I know a lot of people rolled for Squirtoria, but I also know that a lot of people held off. Even if it only resulted in 10% fewer people rolling, that can still result in a significant loss of revenue if they create that type of situation too often. But in any case, I don't think that the current quality of the welfare servants is really something that people should complain about, because none of them are terrible, and some of them are quite good.

I can understand that you might not really care about the community aspect of the game, and that's absolutely fine, but for me, and quite a few others, the community is more than half of what makes FGO enjoyable. Had an incredibly unlucky gacha streak? You can go discuss it with other fellow players and blow off some steam that way. Excited about a new story chapter or servant? You can go talk about it with others and get even more hyped. Memes, fanart and comics can entertain you and also make you notice servants that you usually ignored, leading you to change your plans on who you want to roll for and your team comps. This aspect of the game should never be underestimated, and if it was to suddenly cease existing, its absense would be very noticeable.

Regarding the value of SQ being reduced if a lot are given out, allow me to point out that JP has been handing out SQ like candy since their 3rd anniversary, introducing some extremely player-friendly policies like giving 30 SQ instead of 20 for every 50 day login bonus(with the bonus being applied retroactively), giving 5 rare prisms if you already have the event welfare during an events rerun, reducing the price of the guaranteed to 15 SQ while making it class based and including all limited servants, giving 2 SQ for every strengthening quest completed(again applied retroactively) plus 10 more for every 10 strengthenings completed, etc. Surely they must have lost a lot of money, right? I can assure you that they wouldn't be doing all this if they weren't sure they would still make more than enough profits, so them continuing to do so means that even while giving out all those SQ, players still bought more, therefore i think we can agree that your argument about their value decreasing is moot.

The only reason Azur Lane doesn't make the kind of big bucks that FGO does is that it's not based on a multi-million dollar IP spanning multiple VNs, LNs, manga and anime like Fate, and is instead a completely original creation. I'm willing to bet that if FGO wasn't based on the Fate IP and instead was another generic gacha anime game, it would have probably gone under long ago, considering the atrocious gacha rates, lack of safety net and terrible launch issues.

"I can assure you that they wouldn't be doing all this if they weren't sure they would still make more than enough profit"

Couldn't that statement be applicable in reverse as well? Don't you think that maybe they are sure that they will make more than enough profit with the way that they are handling things in the US as well? Unless you think that they're just being mean to us for no reason at all. Japan has an entirely different culture and economic situation than we do, so I don't know if we can necessarily expect things to be exactly the same between the two clients. There have been a lot of mobile games that have been successful in Japan, but they have completely flopped in the US. Japan has had a tough time breaking into our mobile market, so it stands to reason that things work somewhat differently there than they do here. And that aside, even if we say that things should be the same between the two clients, since they had to wait until the 3rd anniversary for these changes, why wouldn't we? Why would it be fair if we got this stuff sooner than they did? I don't see how it's unfair for them to get things that we don't get, but it's perfectly fair for us to get things that they didn't get.

I also forgot to mention this, because my post wound up running too long, but another reason that they can't reduce the value of quartz is because they have to consider the amount of servants that are currently available to obtain with that quartz. If they make quartz cheaper, maybe people actually would buy more of it, so it would even out the fact that the price got reduced. For example, if I spent $80 on quartz per month, maybe I would continue to do so, regardless of how many quartz that actually gets me. So if quartz were cheaper, then I would wind up with more quartz every month. If everyone starts getting more quartz, but the amount of servants stay the same, then what will happen is that people will run out of servants to summon quicker. Once the whales run out servants to summon, they will obviously stop buying quartz. So DW also has to consider how it would affect the longevity of the game. Conversely, as the pool of servants and CEs gets bigger, they might actually need to increase the amount of quartz that people have, because people will get discouraged if they're only able to collect a tiny percentage of the servants and CEs that are available. This could be a big part of why Japan gets better rewards than we do right now. They have way more things to spend those rewards on. Once we have such a huge pool of servants and CEs, we will probably get more rewards as well.

I'm sure that the popularity of the Fate franchise is a large part of why FGO experiences the success that it does, but I highly doubt that it's the *only* reason. There have been plenty of other popular Japanese IPs that have failed to achieve success in the mobile market. And the fact that it has that popularity to rely on allows the game to do things that other games can't do, so it's probably flawed to expect it to be monetized exactly the same way that lesser known IPs are anyway. A small local grocery chain can't do business the same way that Wal-Mart does, because they don't have the same foundation. Similarly, an original mobile game is probably going to have to operate differently from one that is based on a behemoth IP.

In any case, DW has reasons for the way that they do things, and most of those reasons are probably centered around their current and future profits. I doubt that they draw their decisions from a hat, I doubt that they just think it's fun to withhold quartz from us, and I'm sure they have to consider things that might not always be immediately obvious to us players (or maybe things that we don't care about as players, but they still matter from a business standpoint). That's really all I've wanted to get across from the start. It was never really my intention to get into a detailed discussion about what would or wouldn't be their optimal courses of action as a business, because I lack the inside information that would be required to do so, it's not really my area of expertise, and there are already people who are getting paid to do exactly that. We can speculate and spin our wheels all day, but at the end of the day, DW is probably going to keep doing things the way things are, because it's working for them.

If you don't like it, don't play. No one's forcing you to do anything.

First of all, you know that this game can be cleared with 1-3 stars from the FP gacha right? Second of all, not all gold servant are actually good(I'm looking at you, Stheno, Astolfo, and Fionn) while some 3 stars outperform some five stars(ex OG Cu lancer will never die). In fact, I'd say re best part of the game(besides the waifus, of course) is that fact that unlike other games, lower star servants can actually be used. Other games would release new characters that would just destroy all meta, then nerf it to oblivion, rinse and repeat. F/GO, with the exception of Merlin, will not do that, and while not all welfares are good, they do have their niche and let's be honest: would you rather have a semi useful (or in Kuro's case, extremely useful) free np 5 servant, or would you rather have useless crap like Stheno? As for the grinding, yeah, I admit it, it gets tedious sometimes. Idk whether it's my personality or not, but I don't get tired grinding for mats. Besides, that's what lottery events are for and events in general. They give you lots of free goodies that would take you ages to farm otherwise. As for Elizabeth, why are you complaining about how many forms she has? You seem to hate most welfares anyways, so just ignore the event. Some ppl play this game for the waifus, and apparently, Elizabeth is popular( I don't get it personally, but hey, each to their own. I like Kiyohime, so I guess it's the pot calling the kettle black). Just stop hating the game for such childish reasons

Just quit the game already, i dont think people wanna see you bitch here.If you don't like the grinding in the game you picked the wrong game to play.

Thank you for the offer but kind sir I can hardly give a shit about what you are telling me to do, as a consumer of a product I can ascertain my dissatisfaction with it but nonetheless my apologies for hurting you weeabo ass sire.

I’ve played fgo for the past 1 month but i have to disagree with you.
- Repetitive grinding shit ? No, the game’s not forcing you to have 10/10/10 servants to clear it.
- Event Ces to farm effectively ? They give us a bunch of apples and friend points every events , what do you do with them ?
- Rewards ? They literally give us every 3 star servants through fp gacha, they rerun events for new player have chance to get welfares, and some of them already sit on top tier. This is even easier in NA since we can predict their events.
- About Eliz, what’s your problem with her ? Because her personality or gameplay? If it’s about gameplay, i disagree. not to count her 3rd, she already has Np gain, def up, invin, buster up, ignore def and you can look at the chart of top ST Np against lancer in this site and see who sits on number 1?
Lastly, did you see how much effort they put in this game ? How amazing the story is ? How epic the music is ? Just ask yourself why you have so much complaints about this game but keep playing it.

Thank you for your perspective my friend, I guess it holds true that what is drag to some people is fun for others. As for Liz well I like Carmilla but my disdain arises for the so called Idol Liz, my apologies in advance to anybody whom I may offend with my statement but I think you can throw a random Loli type Idol in anything and the masses will go crazy over them, same with Liz, I dont like her at all gameplay wise, nor story wise and her character and voice is very irritating to me, I would have no problem if they just keep adding new Liz in the gacha but my complain is that most of the time she is an event servant and either you are forced to play the event or you are forced to skip the event.

Lol i've been doing the grinding for more than a years, it's not really repetitive.
Pretty much, the story is really amusing and fun.

I have 4 version of Liz, they're pretty good in terms of gameplay.
1 AOE for clearing wave and farm also anti-archer.
1 for anti-female boss, star gen and rider boss killer.
1 for slaying assassin enemies/boss also star gen.
1 for anti-lancer boss/enemies or general boss killer.
All of them have exceptional soloing power, as liz sisters is a pretty Durable and solid servants.
If you don't really like her voice, then turn off your speaker or minimize your sounds volume.
Also if you don't like her, don't bother using her.

I can understand your frustration over the rewards,but taking aside P2P players it's the same for everyone and I'm actually ok with saving for the servant that I LIKE not need so that there's as much diversity as possible in your friend support list.Since this game is clearable with even 3*, it would be kinda pointless to have 5 5* from just playing let's say three months.

About grinding and such I'm actually ok with it,AP replenishes every ~10 hours and I don't really have that much free time so it works best for me but the thing is that you don't even have to grind that much because you can adapt yourself later to the unit that you get and farm what you lack later(unless you have 0 materials in total XD,I recommend grinding for mats once in a while[events help in that regard but they're skippable]).

I did get kinda bored too,and I usually just log in and exit(or at best use my normal AP in the gate for QP)unless there is an event, but it's because this game is not competitive at all and I like it.It's like that farm game where you just raise your waifu/husbando crops but this time to fight other evil crops to protect your farm.This game is amazing to be played only during a portion of your free time because it's not addictive.

Elizabeth, I don't think she's bad in gameplay but yeah, character wise I don't like her too

On that note