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Avenger of Shinjuku

Here is my question: is it worth to roll for him?
I'll say this: I like him, esthetically speaking. And I don't have an avenger, so I don't have nothing to fight against Rulers except for my Lancelot Berserker (who is as squishy as a mousse). I know that he has a low HP pool, but he also has an high atk value. And if you level him up to level 100, with grail + fou his attack arrives at almost 15k (about 14868, with 14063 HP). So he is a fluffy wolf that hits harder than a ballistic missile. And for me, without an avenger or a good berserker, he is a very good option, even with his 1 turn skills.
But... we know that both Lobo and every other quick servant gives his best with Scathack Skadi, and we don't have her on the NA.
So with the current situation on the NA, is it possible to build a good party for him, making worth to roll him from the gacha?

Asked by Palk936 years 3 months ago
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by Zhiroc 6 years 3 months ago

I can't say specifically, but wanted to say that this is why I've decided to mainly concentrate on support servants, which I started doing this winter by getting Merlin and Waver (GSSR). If you have your own supports, then you can get just about anything you need from a good friends list. Between events and other situations, there's just way too many special circumstances to cover them all (and for example, Rulers have been so far a very, very small percentage of the fights).

Of course, get whoever you want/need, just wanted to say what I felt covers the bases for the least cost (free or otherwise).

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I tried both Merlin and Waver, but I only get Tamamo Caster. So at the moment my only supports are Tamamo Caster, Mash and Hans. With a Merlin or a Waver from the support, I think I can build a good party for Lobo against berserkers and rulers, but I'm not sure at 100% so I wanted to ask here.

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I got all the way through Camelot and some of Babylon with just Hans, so I like him a lot. With break bars, I'd imagine Tamamo and arts teams will be quite viable.

Also just looked up the Avenger of Shinjuku, and since he is quick-oriented, probably isn't going to be really great until Skadi. I notice he doesn't even have any quick steroids for himself, so you can't take advantage of multiplication of that and ATK buffs. But this is just from a quick look at him. I might be wrong.

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by Attis 6 years 3 months ago

Avengers don't have the resistance to most classes like Rulers, nor the health or skills necessary to ensure they survive long fights, and decrease the debuff resist for all allies. To make matters worse, Rulers don't appear frequently enough to make use of their class advantage, so generally speaking, no. He's also not a limited servant, so he could spook you any time later down the line.

Short term, there isn't a lot of quick support characters to help him, 3* Alexander and 4* Helena can give 3 turn boost to quick and Atalante and 5* Scathach can offer one turn boost. Assassin of Shinjuku can help him gather stars and later down the road boost quick, but he suffers from low health and low attack stats.

4* Ishtar (rider) is a welfare that'll help boost both quick and buster for 3 turns, but doesn't provide survival support for anyone other than herself. If you're in for the long haul and your prayers to the Gacha Gods are fruitful on your rolls for Skadi in the 2020 anniversary, then she'll be able to cover up some of his shortcomings. His terrific NP gain can help him in farming against bersekers, if you're able to spam his NP and he doesn't die in between, but you'd still have an easier time with any AoE NP of any other class. Overall, I'd recommend saving your saint quartz for more worthy rolls and be pleasantly surprised/curse him when he spooks you.

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Understood, thank you for the info! I'll try to make a plan for the future rolls. Can you tell me if Osakabe Hime could be a good support for Lobo and other quick servants?

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by Vaenir 6 years 3 months ago

If you really want him I would advice to wait for that 4* ticket that will come with the 10M campaign on autumn and skip this banner altogether...he will share rate up with one of the worst 4* in the game, and the 5* archer is nothing to get excited about either.

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The problem is that I don't have an avenger, a ruler and an assassin, so I will probably go for them for the future rolls. I tried with 15 ticket and more than 250 quartzs on King Hassan, without find nothing. So I would like to keep that chosen 4* ticket for the one I really want and need, for example a good 4* assassin or a tier one 4* (for example Heracles Berserker, Shiki assassin or Arturia alter lancer).

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Rulers are a very uncommon enemy type in this game, you won't miss much by not having your own avenger, when a ruler shows up you can just borrow a Jalter or cu alter to melt them. I would say that you should focus on trying to cover your lack of assassin first, Rulers and Avengers are more of a novelty than anything else. I don't remember when was the last time my Jeanne left the bench.
If you want to use that ticket for gameplay instead of going for a favorite then your best option would be either Lancelot(saber), Gilgamesh, or Heracles. You can't chose limited 4* or welfare servants so Shiki is out, sorry. Your next chance to get her will be on Kara no Kyoukai rerun in 2020.

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Uh, thanks for the info. I have Lancelot saber. So yes, Heracles is a good pick. Gilgamesh too, but I have both Tamamo Caster and Da Vinci so I am pretty ok with the casters at the moment, even if Gil have a different gameplay as a good star generator and art support.

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by Exa 6 years 3 months ago

I would say... No
This banner is not thet good anyway, and he is not thet good anyway tothe problem for me is thet all avenger are quite extreame, and frankly, lobo is not
If you want someone to deal with those rare ruler, then try your ouck on the american banner for cu alter. He will simply be better then.... Well anyolone anywere.

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I will try to figure it out. I know that Cu Alter is better than a lot of other servants. But at the moment I have two Cu Alter with more than 16k of atk in my support list, so I don't feel the necessity for him. On the other hand, I don't have an avenger, a ruler and an assassin, so I will probably go for them for the future rolls. I tried with 15 ticket and more than 250 quartzs on King Hassan, but nothing T_T

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i still would say no, becouse you dont really need an avenger, and you need a st berserker and an assassis.
so i belive it would be better to try for those instead.
but feel free to roll for him.
i mean, this game is more about love then gameplay. i have grailed my Jaguar warrior (np2) despite having lalter, vlad extra, santa lili, li shuwen.

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I can't decide myself xD I know that at the moment he is not the best servant, but I can't no-try for him xD it's one of those cases in which you think "I prefer to master a bad servant instead of run after the perfect one", only because you like that servant. Maybe I'll try to divide my resource, using a part to try for him and the other half for the white day banner, with the male servant (Zhuge, come here T_T I need your support)

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by Ramses 6 years 3 months ago

Anything is possible in this game so of course you can. Obviously it will be better with Skadi but for the time being if you party him with Fuuma (quick based, great star gen, targetable evade) and Hans you can keep him alive better and generate more stars for him to use. You can also use the Brilliant Summer (swim suit) Mystic Code which has a quick up steroid and heal +NP charge on it, which can support him even more.

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Understood. Thank you for the info °w° I will try it.

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