*You can only have one Servant on your roster and never the other
*Decisions can’t be based on waifu/husbando material. It’s all about their skills, teamwork and all that
*Keep it friendly as usual
Previous days recaps:
Ozy eeked by Quetz
Gil edged out Ishtar
Raikou beat Cu
Xuan curb stomped Illya
Helena won by 2 votes over Gilcas
I know some people don’t like that the battles aren’t always between similar servants and what not. I’m just trying to mix things up every time and trying to find match ups that are interesting and different. I know they’re not always the best match ups, but I’m trying to come up with different things here and there.
Kiyohime Lancer. Not because of waifu reasons, because she has sustainable damage. Li lancer can do crazy amounts of damage. For one turn. Until his skills come off cool down, his damage output is incomparable to when he has his skills. On the other hand, Kiyohime lancer has a three turn buster buff on a (I think) 5 turn cooldown at max. Also, she has her classic def debuff as well for a bit of team play.
I have Li Shuwen lvl 80 but for this i choose Kiyohime Lancer.
The reasons i choose Kiyohime :
- Kiyo is more consistent than Li, her CD is very low and to be exactly if all of her skill is maxed that would be 3 Turns and 5 turns CD. That's very nice and dependable !
- she has passive Buster EX rank and she has 3 Buster cards.
- she does not heavily relies on supp and not as selfish as Li does.
- more versatile than Li, you can bring her to a longer battle because of her short CD and short battle if you're going all out with full Offensive buff.
- no matter what kinds of type your party is, in terms of 1-4 turns Burst she can't beat Li.
For gameplay, i prefer Kiyo over Li that doesn't mean Kiyo don't have any weakness, because i'm going to show some of their weakness.
- Li Shuwen burst damage is only below Scathach, Brynhildr and other 5 * servants, almost no one from the 4 star servant pool can't beat him in terms of massive burst damage. More consistent version of Li is Chloe and Emiya Archer.
- Kiyo don't have any survivability but Li Shuwen have at least one evade.
- Kiyo can't pierce any Def, any Invincibility and any kinds of survivability kits. Reduce def alone is simply not enough.
- Li have ALL of the anti-defense buff except for guts, Ignore Evade + Ignore Def + Ignore Invincibility + reduce Def. You can't run from Li if he's on the burst mode.
- Li is an Art servants with pretty good NP gain and his NP can reduce your enemy def for a pretty long time. 3 turns is just the lowest, he can use his NP more than a single times and the def down debuff is fully stackable.
- no equals for short battles, it's his best job and specialty. Simply a walk on the park.
- Raid Bossess and single boss with big or tons of HP is only a food for Li if you can give him all of the supports he need.
- Li is a really2 selfish and he really needs Crit support and tons of supports to get into his prime conditions.
- Li skill have fucking Long CD and not recommended to use for longer battles, this is absolutely his biggest weakness. Strong he is but if the battle goes any longer, you're done.
Kiyohime is not too situationals and she's pretty much a dependable ST Lancer. Good for non-specifics or specific teams, she's versatile. You can bring her to almost any kind of battles.
That's why i choose Kiyohime.
In the end, it still up to us because we're their brain and they can't move without us.
Li barely edged this one out for me. The top end of his damage is pretty much unmatched for a 4 star servant. Granted, you’ve got one turn to take advantage of his crits, but a lot of the time that’s all that’s needed.
In a team with a combo of Tamamo/Waver/Gil caster, with Fragment of 2030 on your supports, Li will devastate any boss. You’ll have his NP filled and plenty of stars for him to work with when his buffs are active. The key is his ability to hit regardless of the enemies defensive skills. There’s nothing worse than setting your skills up only to have your window slammed shut by an evade or invincibility. Thanks to Li’s kit, that deal breaker isn’t an issue.
I don’t think he wins by much in my opinion, but there aren’t many arts based lancers to take his place...hmm, I can’t recall any other lancers with an arts NP, but I’m sure I’m missing someone. I can however find other lancers to fulfill the ST buster roll of Kiyohime. Not all of them as well as her, but at least there are some servants to work with.
He's the best Art Lancer for a long time and Fionn for the worst, i have both Lancer Fionn and Li.
I have two fragments of 2030 as well, like mentioned above he can literally devastate any boss.
Also maxed Hans, Helena and Mozart. Gil Caster is lvl 80 but for now i can't level Up his skill because the lack of materials.
Usually i have some tricks for him if i want to use Li for both longer fight and shorter fight or almost all kinds of situations.
If i go full damage, i'll go with Caster Gil/Hans 2030 + Friends Waver 2030 + Li Shuwen Knights Dignity CEs ( LOL, 140 % Crit damage by himself + 1.05 Lancer damage modifier is insane ! ). Mozart for one-shotting my enemies, guaranteed Crit + powerful Art buff. When i'm going this way, even Li can eat a saber boss.
I use Caesar for my strongest full Assault short burst playstyle, this guy is a beast of steroid.
For medium fights, i'll go with Li Shuwen ( Formal Craft ) + Friends Tamamo 2030 + Helena 2030. Mashu will come out if something went wrong.
In this one, i'm focusing on to reduce all of my team members skill CD and my main goal is to have a more consistent playstyle ( Li and Helena biggest problem ). Helena and Li will greatly appreciated Tamamo NP effect.
For long fight or battle of durability i usually don't use him but it's a good way to have the best Art Lancer in the game can go through all kinds of situations.
Li Shuwen ( Chaldea Lifesaver, Guts + NP gain up 20% ) + Mashu 2030/divine banquet + Tamamo 2030/her Bond CEs/NP gain CEs. If the battle can last for a very long time, i would bring D'eon on the back but when the battle is shorter than it used to be, Hans will be my backup.
For another situations, i'm F2P but i have quite a good luck with CEs ( i only have 2 SSR unit but tons of strong 5 * CEs ). Consistent Crit team and medium fight : Li Shuwen 2030 + Hans 2030 + Waver 2030. Mashu or D'eon to take damage and team protector.
There's also a time when i have to divide Li's buff. For example, if i use medium fight or long fight set ups, i use his 3rd skill first and 2/3 turns later, i'll go press his 1st skill.
For short battles, i use all of his skill at once and focus to deliver crazy massive amounts of damage.
My Chaldea are infested with Art servants and to be exactly it's tons of them, so i can change the set up just a little to adjust or modified it a little for another Art servants.
If i don't use 2030 on my supp, usually i use NP gain or Art Up or Def up or another survivability CEs.
It's actually pretty fun to use Li Shuwen.
You don’t really hear much talk about him in the forums, but I certainly enjoy using him as well. He was my go to Arts damage servant for quite a time, and still kinda is. I think he’s pretty under appreciated
This is true, though and whenever i refresh support servant list Li hardly ever shown.
I think Li is better- I have him at Lvl 80, and I don't have Kiyohime Lancer, but I think I'd go with Li.
Since they're both ST, they're basically both useless for farming. Kiyo has skills that *slightly* help the team (enemy critical chance down; defense down) while Li doesn't (though his NP has a defense down). Still, I wouldn't say either of them support the team.
So, we have 2 ST lancers with selfish kits...we're probably looking to take them on challenge quests, right? Kiyo has a pretty good 3-turn buster buff and a great permanent buster buff. 1 of her skills has a noticeable demerit- an attack up- so if she can't kill the boss immediately, he'll punch harder for the next few turns. And her crit damage down, while nice, won't help much if you're dealing with class advantage.
Li is set up for 1 turn of damage. He has an amazing crit damage buff, a good star gather buff, an amazing arts buff. His NP ignores defense. He can ignore evade or invincibility. He has an evade. If I'm in a challenge quest, where bosses are spamming defense up or evade skills, or firing off their NP immediately or something, Li is better for that.
For support options, Merlin exists, which is a big bonus to Kiyo. He provides what she lacks (though he does that for everyone, to be fair). But pair Li with Mozart- he now has a 94% bonus to arts, 100% crit damage, and a guaranteed crit because Mozart has a ton of stars to give. I'll take that 1 turn burst damage over Kiyo any day of the week.
Kiyo easily. she's gonna hit harder on average because of her better up time on her buffs, and she has a skill seal on her NP, which comes up much more often than you would think. She can also Np more frequently because she has way better NP gen (literally double per hit of Li's)
