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How to fight Goetia?

I know there's another thread asking the same thing, but the answers given are unfortunately not applicable to me. Here's why:

I have no friend support with Heracles.

I have no forms of buff block.

My only source of Skill Seal is Shuten. Which is on her NP. Which means that my support pick must be Zhuge in order to charge her NP on turn one, and if I don't get the Skill Seal effect, I'm dead, and it won't deal any damage anyways. I also don't have any means of debuff success up.

My original plan was to have a frontline of fodder take the hit, and then just rely on the backline, but seeing 1.5mil HP ruined that plan, and I need to do it without the use of Revive spell from Seals/Quartz. So as far as I can see, my only hope is to blow all my burst on a first turn NP for 0 damage just to try and get a Skill Seal, and just hope to brute force 1.5mil HP before I lose my party (and due to party costs I can only bring three damage dealing servants, since fourth and fifth are supports).

Help?

Asked by Emerald Acid6 years 3 months ago
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Depends on what you have. If you have a few single target calvary class servants, just get a Merlin or Zhuge to charge up their NPs and fire away. I used a friend Merlin, and my Ozymandias and Kintoki rider took about... 6 turns to dismantle him?

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My only two ST servants total are Jack and Brave Elly. Neither of which work well here because Jack needs her vs Female component, and Brave Elly is a Saber. That also doesn't solve the problem if requiring Zhuge to charge up my only source of Skill Seal on the first turn, costhing him all his CDs, and he doesn't live lone enough to get a second cycle.

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Well... then you will have to see if you can do anything with your 3-stars. Or just use the Herc of the guy who gave you his friend code in the comments. He should be good enough to solo.

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507,786,005 Basaka max skilled lvl 100 NP5 + Castle of Snow
Have fun.

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So unfortunately there is no easy answer.

I ran with NP3, bond 10 Ozy as main dps, buffed him, then used mystic code to swap him out with Arash backline. My setup was:

Bond 10, Np3 Ozy with lvl 100 MLB Golden Sumo.
Martha
Merlin support

Backline:
Waver
Merlin
Arash

My suggestion would be use a bond 10 Ozy rider from a friend. He just absolutely nukes Goetia. Any rider bond 10 would destroy him I would assume. But Ozy is preferred. You’re other option is buffing your backline so much that you don’t die from his first NP which is nearly unavoidable. IE mash skills+NP, waver defense buff, or even double mash.

Either way, bond 10 zerker or rider is a must. Any bond 10 servant. And then charge reduction servants + main dps backline. Best thing to do is buff dps in frontline w frontline support, swap him to back when you sacrifice frontline, then buff him with backline support and nuke Goetia. Unfortunately, it’s just not an easy fight unless you get creative (or whale lol).

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I'm mostly an F2P player, so I don't have a strong ST damage carry outside of Jack and Brave Elly. Neither of which can carry here due to above replied reason of 'not a female' and 'is a Saber'. My only Riders are Santa Alter and NP3 Ushi. The latter of which doesn't survive long enough to reach turn four without some luck in damage rolls. And my only not-bad Berserker is Kiyohime; I've never gotten Lu Bu.

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Can't use double Mash... stuff happened in the story.
Edit: To prevent spoiler.

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by Fabris 6 years 3 months ago

Max Benkei first skill for a one turn skill seal who is not wasting Shuuten's NP =P

Mata-Hari also has one, is not even a chanced one (it works just fine on level 1), but it's under a ST Quest...

I recomend just debuffing him with your frontline (Kotarou, Robin, Mata-Hari, Carmilla...), then, after the nuke, use Merlin/Waver to buff your ST calvary damage dealer who has the biggest bond.

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Believe it or not, I don't have Benkei.

And my biggest Bond for Cavalry is only 6.

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Never forget that 2-star Benkei has Skill Seal as his very first skill. You don't even need to have him levelled/ascended or anything. Of course, it's a 50% chance at base, but better that than wasting Shuten's NP.

Benkei is a Lancer though, which means he'll die very quickly after this. So you're essentially starting with one team member down, but that's better than sacrificing your whole front line (plus his death will allow you to bring in another Servant). Maybe have a Battle of Camlann/Stuffed Lion on him for NP/HP gain upon his death.

As for DPS, Jack isn't such a bad option for the Crit Rate down skill. The alternative is to bring your own supports and use Friend Ozy as DPS.

EDIT: Okay, just saw the comment above. If you have any FPs right now, you can try rolling until you get him; shouldn't be too hard since he's a 2-star. And you don't even need to level him or anything.

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Sadly, by virtue of being primarily F2P, I don't have 'proper' supports. The best I can do is Lancer Elly (only works with females), 4/4/4 Caesar, an RNG Andersen NP, Leonidas, and Shakespeare's one-turn battery and Buster Up.

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In that case, I recommend trying Jack as your damage dealer and bringing along a support Caster like Waver.

Anderson is amazing. Yes it's RNG, but at NP5 it's an 80% chance,. And even if some of the buffs don't go off (I always groan a little when the attack buff misses before my damage dealer's NP), the other effects will still be helpful.

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So, something like:

>Start Jack, Benkei, and Zhuge support
>Pray to the gods a L3 Skill Seal works
>Benkei dies, Andersen comes in
>Try to stall for two more turns with Andersen NP and maybe Zhuge NP depending on luck
>Switch Andersen for Lancer Elly for a double Atk Buff and potential Def Down
>Pray that I have a Jack NP Brave chain
>Pray that I can manage to finish the remainder of the 1.5mil HP before Goetia NPs me back on a second try and ends everything.

When I tried with my first plan, Zhuge didn't live long enough to NP more than once, and I only got Goetia down to half before it was all over. I'm still worried about the DPS race since even with L7 Surgery, class resistance, and no Goetia crits, Jack and Zhuge only last about four turns or so from basic attacks.

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Maybe use David in your backline? When Goetia is about to NP, switch David to the front, use his team-wide Evade to survive. I think that'll be worth more than some extra buffs from Liz.

I ran with:
Front line: Friend Ozy + Level 1 Benkei (lol) + Caster Gilgamesh
Backline: Hans + David + Herc (but he's not Bond 10 and has 4/4/4 skills, so I couldn't rely on him being unkillable).

Now, you won't have the synergy of this team (no CasGil to increase Benkei's debuff chance, no Ozy to ensure all of Hans' buffs hit). On the other hand, you'll benefit from Waver's NP charging, attack/defence bonuses, and charge reduction (don't bank on that stun hitting). You can replace Herc with another ST Cavalry unit, equipped with starting NP CE.

But yeah, it's a pretty difficult fight if you're f2p. I ended the fight with half-health Ozy and Herc. Everyone else was dead.

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I don't have Harp of Healing, unfortunately. And since I'm down to natural AP regen only, I don't think I have time to get him leveled and ascended before the time limit to get the 'cleared in time' emblem runs out.

Edit: well it didn't work. Even with the lucky Benkei skill seal, I still only get him to 500k HP before get fully wiped out.

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No Idea... I just run my strongest bond servant. which is my anti boss art team. Shiki, Waver and Tamamo. sacrifice front line and spam NP like hell before shiki said "as long as it's alive, I can kill even the god". use 1 CC to restore shiki hp and use 2 for NP battery charge for fun. both Tamamo and Waver die of course..

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by zer0z 6 years 3 months ago

As a last resort, borrow someone's Herc. For you, Jack's normal NP damage is fine, it doesn't matter that Goetia isn't female, Jack's normal NP damage is still some of the highest in the game at base. It just becomes ridiculous against females, that's all. Put some mooks at the front, then have Jack, support Waver and your second-best Cavalry unit at the back and that should be enough.

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Just borrow a friend's JAlter and put it in back line, it can clear with around 2 command spell to recover hp, much easier if u have any kind of support.

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Well now I feel like *extra* shit. Not only have I been forced to do what I hate doing and took the L100 bond 10 NP5 Herc despite relying on friend DPS or Revive seals making me feel horribly depressed... but I *still* couldn't win with said Herc sole survivor strategy...

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Don't feel like shit. It's a tough fight (don't listen to all the whales going "lololol it's easy" when they're running Jalter, Merlin, Waver, /and/ Cu Alter or something equally insane). And running that L100 Herc means you lost out on Support Waver, so that might explain why you couldn't win. And heck, the fact that you're here means you got through Camelot without Harp of Healing; I doubt I could've done the same.

Since all this has failed... I guess you can try using Support Ozy as DPS and buffing him with Shakespeare or something. On paper I still think Jack + Waver is better (Ozy can tank more regular attacks due to Imperial Privilege, but he doesn't have an Evade for NPs, and you don't have Harp of Healing to compensate). But since Jack DPS already failed, might as well as try something different.

Don't worry about the deadline. I'm 99% sure you can still do the quest even after Dec 31st. I suspect you'll still get the Grail, since that's story-related.* Late players just miss out on the raids, which you've already done. There will be Great Success Up during New Years, which will give you an opportunity to level up David or whoever else you might need.

*Now, I haven't played JP so I can't say 100%. Can someone who has played JP confirm this?

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Frontline: Lv1 Benkei, Ozzy Support, and ushiwakamaru
Reserve: Medea lily (forgot to change it :D ), Mata Hari, Cu Alter
Buffed Ozzy and swapped with Mata Hari
Dunno what I was thinking with this setup.. Got within 150000 of killing Goetia in 5 turns, but only ozzy was left standing at 400HP, so...

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