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Santa Lily or Eli chan

Jalter Liy's NP5 modifier is 500%
Elizabeth Bathory's NP2 modifier is 500%
Now Lily's got a mana burst to increase her buster performance by 55%
But Eli's got her charisma skill, the defence debuff and if buffed by Jalters charisma skill, should hit just as hard as Lily's NP, no?

Am I wrong? does her NP with her mana burst do enough damage comparatively to warrant raising her or using her over Eli in a situation where I need an AOE lancer?
I think Eli's got the much better kit to support a team but I'm just wondering about pure damage output between them.

Thanks in advance.

Asked by LarryG236 years 6 months ago
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I literally have the exact same question pretty much, as I also have an Eli Lancer NP3, and with her improved Sadistic Charisma and augmented NP, I feel like she actually does stand up just fine to Jailter.

I'll wait for someone to answer since I also had this inquiry, but I do think you brought up one of the defining differences yourself, which is that Bathory is going to give better offensive support to the party, while Lily may edge her on raw damage because of Ephemeral Dream being such a strong buster buff. I think both lancers have a support niche, but Liz's is for offense and Santa Lily's is a little more geared towards healing between her healing skill and her NP.

If I had to guess, I feel like Lily is still gonna edge it on NP damage, since Liz's charisma double buffs other females, but not herself. So I think Ephemeral Dream's 55% buff at max wins for sure (especially for you since it's NP5 vs NP2 with the same multiplier, with my Liz at NP3 I think it's even closer). I do think Liz edges her overall though because of a better offensive support skillset and her guts. In fact, I think they'd go very well together, since Liz can double buff Jailter and they can clear archer waves in conjunction when required.

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I think Santa Lily will be more fun to use with Jeanne Alter because Lily is more helpful by creating stars and healing. Santa Lily has higher 1 additional hit on her quick and arts cards, and 2 more on her EX. Santa Lily can heal and apply a crit star drop rate buff, and if an enemy NP comes you can both just use Invulnerability instead of relying on Guts and hoping the enemy doesn't attack a second time.

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Yeah, I'm just not sure that if Lily does hits harder, its by a wide enough margin to use her over Eli, who's fantastic support to female servants and can wave clear competently.

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For Eli, you aren't going to get 500% dmg @ NP2 right now. You have to wait until the interlude at 2020.

Elizabeth Bathory's defense debuff can also be resisted.
Eli's skills are also harder to level than Santa Lily, Eli requires Forbidden Pages which you should be saving for better caster servants.

Overall I think Santa Lily will be better for farming and nuking enemies now, and you can always wait until 2020 for Eli's NP interlude.

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But is she really worth the EXP cards and mats for what by my math, which may be wrong, is slightly more damage and worse utility on a team compared to the already leveled and fou'd NP Eli I've got?

She would also be my 3rd AOE lancer at that point, as I've got Lalter.

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Ok if you already have so many AoE lancers, Yes you should save your exp and mats and stick with Eli.

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Well I wouldn't mind having a third, it just seems to me that her job, aoe nuking archer waves, can be done almost as well by Eli who's kit makes her bettr at supporting the rest of the team too.

I was really just wondering if jalter lily did hit harder, which apparently is a yes, and if it made her a better choice than Eli, which I'm not sold on.

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Acutally, i prefer Liz as female servants’ offensive support. I never expect her NP will do a great damage even though i have her np5.
Jalter santer do slighly better job on aoe farming, also she has np charge skill (but dont really need upgraded).

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