I know someone asked about similar question, but I have different circumstances, cause I don't know if I will be able to steady farm pyramid or clear more difficult quests in this event. Saber Liz have +100 power in this event, easy to ascend and might be a help for other people next year, so levelling her isn't a waste in my opinion. I have frozen Rama from my summonings on Nero Fest, but I didin't invest in him, cause I got 3 NP Nero and didn't have a farmer or a tanky back then, so I levelled her instead. Currently I don't have materials for Rama (lacked 4 nuts, couple of crystals and hearts must be buyed also) and spots for this materials in event aren't good for me because I don't have gold or silver drop cards. Also I can't farm nuts in daily Chaldea when the event will be finished cause I have to complete the story or farm silver exp for prisms, so Rama will have to wait a looong time to be levelled. So do you think I should be leveling Liz to be a help on this event and be my buster Saber instead or wait for Rama? I asked this because I have a lot of golden exp and I'm not sure If I will be able to clear event easy with my max levelled Herc, Leo, Nero and 74 Caster Liz (you can count 60 capped Mash or David also). I know i can use power ups but that will be a waste for farming and should be used on challenges. Do you think I can manage easy with my current team & strong friends without Saber Liz?
If you lack Rama mats, go for Saberliz, she is decent even outside of the event, weaker than Rama, but has more survivability, and her NP ignore defense buffs.
You can also borrow some overleveled supports for the Challenge Quests...
Thanks, first I will go for overleveled friends, if it will be still that hard to make me use the command spells, then I will level Liz up.
a liz np5 hits lot more harder than rama np1..
in the only thing rama is better is as critical damage dealer but for that you can get saberlot
I guess that's true. I only think that Rama's skills are better and are more matching for Caster Liz for example, which I'm using. So I considered him also, but NP5 stronger damage is nice to have.
I believe that there's actually a node or two in this event that drops nuts, so they shouldn't really be a problem. But if you're leaning towards Liz, then just go ahead and level Liz. As you've stated, she could make the event much easier for you, and it's not like Rama is some game breaking servant that you absolutely can't live without.
Rama is surely decent, but the fact that his crit steroid only lasts for one turn, and that he can't provide his own stars, can be kind of limiting. You'd probably save that move for once you reach the boss wave, in most situations. But then to actually use it effectively, you've also gotta have like 30 stars and 3 Rama cards on the same turn, and you've gotta hope that that actually happens at the beginning of the boss wave. Sometimes, the cards/stars just don't align correctly until the boss already has such low health that it doesn't even matter anyway.
So basically, when people say that Rama is better than Liz, it's more of a theoretical thing. In practice, Liz can actually be better in a lot of situations, because her NP5 is a much more consistent form of damage than Rama's crits that rely on the stars to align just right.
The other thing to consider is that Rama needs two of his skills to be relatively high level in order to actually be good, and his skillups cost a decent amount of Hearts of a Foreign God. Hearts are really hard to come by, and I dunno for sure if I'd be in a hurry to spend them on Rama if I already had a max level Nero. But tbh, I also don't know if I'd be in a huge hurry to level up Liz in your situation either, since you already have a decent Saber at max level, and it sounds like you are lacking some staple servants in other classes.
But in the end, just level whoever you feel like leveling, and don't worry about it so much. If you're F2P, then you will eventually be in a situation where you've got more exp cards than servants, so it'll all even out in the end. And if you're not F2P, then you can just purchase some SQ to use for energy refills to farm more exp cards if it comes down to it.
"So basically, when people say that Rama is better than Liz, it's more of a theoretical thing. In practice, Liz can actually be better in a lot of situations, because her NP5 is a much more consistent form of damage than Rama's crits that rely on the stars to align just right."
Sorry, but I still objective. From my friends' and mine experience in CN and JP, there is no way Liz could be better in a lot of situations.
Her NP gain is mediocre (Rama same, but Critical Art card is different story). IF you say Rama's critical star is RNG, what about when to activate Liz's 1st skill for better NP gain in a specific turn?
Rama's critical damage is only lasting 1 turn. Yeah. But Liz's all 3 skills are also long-CD but 1 turn lasting. At least Rama's 1st skill in lv10 could be decent enough for another run of critical damage due to perfect 4 turns CD. Also 100% Critical-up is also no joking. If Rama's Critical is "too" short bursting, what about Altera and Okita???
Rama's materials are expensive. Off course, but what about Liz? Saberlot, and other member of Round Table Knights feel sad that Liz use ~40 Medals per each skill, and more servants need Dragon Fang, include your Nero OG and Liz Caster
In the consideration for long-term investment (skills), and borrow a Merlin in the future, Rama's performance could be a rocket boost. Especially facing multi-hp bar bosses later on. It is not a necessarily to in hurry to invest him, or gather materials for all his skills (1st need lv10, but not rest two)
On the other hand, Liz is capable to shoot down current enemy using her amazing lv5 np. But that is why I say "short term vs long term". If you put a star absorption-CE, and pair her with Waver/Hans/Merlin/Helena, she also work great. But she is more and more in difficult situation as time goes by.
Overall, it is not because Liz's performance is better than Rama. Many factors affect their overall performance, like how the support your choice, or what CE you equipped for all 3 team-members. Rama is also not "top-super" saber as to pour damage to Lancers, and they are focusing on different direction. For Buster card, Rama win. For NP, Liz win.
But do you know the story of the falling of Shishou as top-lancer in comparison with the raising of Enkidu/Karna/Bryn?
The difference between Rama's RNG and Elly's first skill is that the RNG is absolutely required for Rama to do his damage, and it has to happen right at the exact moment that you need it to happen. Elly is not dependant on her first skill to do damage, and she doesn't necessarily need to use it on a specific turn. If all she needs to do is fill up her NP guage before the third wave starts, then you have several turns that you can wait for the best opportunity to use that skill. Alternatively, you can pair her with Kerry, and target Elly with his taunt and then use that skill (you could also use a taunt CE instead). Then she won't take any damage, because of the invincibility, and she will gain a bunch of NP from the enemy's attacks at the same time.
As far as the skillup material cost goes, what I was trying to say is that Rama absolutely needs the skillup in order to do his damage. The OP stated that he doesn't even have the materials to ascend Rama yet, so he obviously doesn't have the materials to skill up Rama. So I was simply stating that there is no point in the OP building Rama right at this moment, because he won't really be useful to the OP right now anyway with his skills all at level 1. Thus, Rama isn't a priority for the OP right now. And the OP only has 3 servants at max level, and one of them is a saber. So I don't think that it's really a priority for the OP to use hearts on Rama right now, since he really should be building up some servants of other classes, and he might need the hearts for those other servants. On the other hand, Liz is less dependant on her skills than Rama is. Even with no skillups at all, her NP will still hit very hard.
As far as what I meant by Rama's superiority being more theoretical, it's simply because in the current state of the game, most of the times that you would want to use a Saber that has really high one turn burst damage, is to kill a Lancer boss at the third wave of a quest. If you use a friend's Waver support, you can almost always guarantee that Elly will have her NP guage full before the third wave, so she can immediately fire it off as soon as you get to the boss. There's almost no RNG involved. But can you guarantee that you will have 30 stars and 3 Rama cards as soon as you reach the boss? Absolutely not. It could take several turns before you actually have enough stars and Rama cards in order to really use his burst damage effectively, and by that time, the boss might already be almost dead. This is why I stated that Elly's NP is more reliable than Rama's crit, so there are times when Elly is better, especially in the OP's current situation.
I agree that Rama is a better long term investment than Elly. But right now, we don't have Merlin, and we don't have bosses with multiple HP bars. The OP doesn't have a star generator right now, and I really doubt that he has multiple copies of 2030 laying around. So what is the point of him building Rama right at this moment? What is he going to do with a Rama with no skillups and no stars? The OP only has 3 high level servants right now, so he's not really in a position to be building servants that will only be useful to him in the future. He needs to build servants that will help him right now, so he can easily clear events and start building up materials. Then he can worry about long-term servants.
I never said that Rama was bad. I just don't feel that Rama should be a priority for the OP.
As people have been mentioned thoroughly about the sthrength and weakness of both the 4 star Buster saber.
You can try their ability yourself with this method :
- Borrow Friend Rama and do some runs.
- Borrow Friend Elizabeth and do some runs.
- then, use your best supp to buff them, don't put them both on the same team.
- You can also solo using him/her, with georgios and leonidas lvl 1 or any taunter.
Which one suit your playstyle ? Then raise him/her based on your team type ( Buster Crit/Buster NP ).
See the capability and your servant buff synergies between both gold saber, then the choice is yours.
There's no need to rush because you have strong alternative saber.
With Nero, you can use her as a main Saber for boss slaying and wave clearing for a while until your ST Saber is ready to work.
