hey guys i'm back. this time with a question about these 2 beautiful swordswomen.
straight up, excluding all the possible supports like memrlin and skadi and all that as i have waver and would plan to have a team of double waver with them, which one is would you prefer to have or is better? i'd love to have both in my chaldea, but unfortunately musashi evaded me the first time, and i only managed to get 2 tickets and 2 yolos for the second run for her.
since quartz and tickets are rare from between now and okita (with heroine x alter in between), is it worth wasting the things i have now for that slim chance at musashi, or wait till okita.
note: i'm in a desperate need for a sr/ssr st saber as i have none. i usually use my lvl 100 baber alter for the that since her np does 100,000 to individual enemies in a double waver set up.
edit: turns out i didn't get musashi. though i'd love to buy quartz, i already used my gift cards from christmas on not getting merlin and musashi when her banner appeared the first time. rip my google play gift cards from santa.
Okita's damage comes from crits and NP spam, Musashi's from busters and NP which, while less frequent, hits harder than Okita's. If you have double Waver, Musashi's NP charge becomes less of a factor so she probably has better potential.
Thanks for your insight. Though I would have preferred Musashi, it looks like okita is my next target along with heroine alter.
Just curious, it seems overall most people on this forum rated Musashi and Okita in same tier and their difference are situational (without considering any supports) and they both have their strengths. I would've thought that if that's the case, both of them would rate in the same tier. Personally I rate them similarly too as I played Okita a few times off my friend's list. But it seems the tier list here had Musashi rate higher then Okita, is it because it's out of date?
Also I would've though Musashi had her flaws with CD on skills, especially she rely on her first skill a bit, however it last for 1 turn with 6 turn CD
It might be because they factored in the fact that Musashi has better support (Merlin) than Okita so she had better potential which might make up for the difference in ranking
That would be strange if we start factoring support when servants are rated. For example, because of Merlin Support, would it mean Cu Alter should move 1 rank higher into the tier 1 list? Because Merlin will cover up his weaknesses and provide attack buff.
I'm just curious and interested what Musashi have that make her a better tier than Okita
I disagree with the tier list as well. Musashi seems more like a Tier 3, not a Tier 2. No doubt she is very strong, with a lot of utility in hard quests, but she has problems gaining NP, with her long cooldowns and single Arts card. Every servant should be rated as a standalone unit, not how they fit well in a team with others.
Overall and in general content, which is better is highly situational. Okita's NP gen and crit is more consistent, while Musashi's high damage means she does fine without these advantages. Both are also extremely bursty, both with skills that all last one turn. Okita is arguably easier to set up than Musashi, but that's debatable, and not a huge factor in their difference.
What really separates Musashi and Okita is their utility in challenge quests. Though Okita's kit is very effective, it is also pretty basic: a plain quick steroid with nothing else, a star absorb, and a dodge + crit buff. Meanwhile, Musashi's buster steroid also allows her to ignore invincibility (and dodge), and her third skill gives her an invincibility too. In Challenge quests, Musashi's defences cover more bases than Okita's since there are times when dodge doesn't work but invincibility does. Similarly, there will be times when enemies use dodge/invincibility, and when that happens, Musashi is equipped to deal with it on her massive burst turn while Okita isn't.
Finally, Musashi's NP offers a buff clear, which, despite being applied after her NP hits, is still very useful in challenge quests with buffed bosses (to those who did it, remember Parade of Hassans from Nerofest? Imagine using Musashi's NP to deal with the annoying Hassan bosses: her NP would kill them, then it would remove that timed death buff before it activated. No need for Iri/Medea/Amakusa).
TL;DR: Basically, while it is hard to know which is better in general gameplay, Musashi is undeniably the challenge quest champ. That's my guess as to why she's put on a higher tier. Of course, it could also be that Skadi isn't out yet and Gamepress likes to keep their list focused on current options.
Mushashi is no doubt the better challenge quest saber. However for general usage, okita is vastly superior. The main reason being np gain and star gen making her pseudo Jack but saber. She basically has the same upsides as Jack.
No doubt mushashi can put up a fight with her fantastic 1 turn burst. But she fizzles out after that unlike okita who would consistently spam her respectable np.
Personally I'd argue it depends on your playstyle, and what situation you are in. I mentioned in my comment that Okita is easier to set up, and I do also think that Musashi's kit is, in a way, worse: her first skill - as good as it is - is pretty obviously meant to be a band-aid solution to her deck's problems. I wouldn't say Okita is vastly superior in normal content, she just requires less planning and thought to use effectively and arguably works faster (never tried to make a comparison so I can't be sure). That's why I prefer her to Musashi, and also because Okita is less reliant on support. I also wouldn't say Musashi fizzes out after her burst, she does fine with her busters, just not nearly as strong as her peak. Also, Musashi really shines in longer fights, and when paired with Merlin of course. I'd actually argue that, aside from Gilgamesh, Musashi has the best synergy with Merlin out of all the buster servants.
I do love Jack and Okita, and was planning on skipping Musashi for Okita instead. Just so happens that I got Musashi from a frustration roll I did after being disappointed by the GSSR lol
Speaking of buff clear in her NP, does it kick in before the damage or after the damage?
Like Okita, Musashi requires some timing with skills, however Musashi with a triple buster deck and ST buster Np her damage is strong even without her skills if you are buster chaining. Okita will need to rely on crit stars being generated (which she can do easily) and then be able to absorb those stars (her absorb is only once every 5 turns) and then throw an NP every couple of turns.
I think where Musashi is more desired is that she will burst opponents down before they can fight back, where as Okita requires stars to start gaining momentum. Now if you start adding stars to Musashi and take into account Fifth Force her damage potential becomes rediculous, the invincible pierce, debuff cleanse, invulnerability, star gen and NP debuff are icing on the cake.
That said Okita is different and still a great servant, just depends what you prefer or if you have both feel like using at the time.
Pretty much what you said there, both of them have their strength and flaw there, that's part of the reason in terms of tiers, I can't see who is better than other. This is part of the reason I'm puzzle why is Musashi rate higher in tier than Okita.
If we start referring to because she have Merlin as support, I can't see that's a good reason. it is because most buster servant can go from decent to really good because of Merlin support. I would've thought the tier was more on the servant's own strength and skill plus the versatility to rate them
Nope. Support plays a huge part.
A good example is dantes.
Pre skadi no one ever uses him. Post skadi? He's the best farmer the game ever made.
I just had a read of their criteria for the tiers. For tier 2, part of the description reads: "Some of them are not as versatile but their specialization is very powerful in the current state of the game." Putting Musashi there makes sense in that regard, since, with Merlin out now, this is pretty much NA's version of the buster-crit meta JP had a year ago. Musashi's flaw is that she's very heavily focused on buster, so when Skadi comes out she may fall in rank. Can't be sure though.
Tier 3 description: "Strong Servants that offer a lot to the team. Many of them have a few weaknesses that can be compensated by supports. Depending on the circumstances they can reach Tier 1 in term of performance."
I would argue that this description applies to Musashi. Actually, the tier 2 description seems to apply more to Okita, when you consider that she doesn't really have any weaknesses. She is basically Jack in Saber class. You can put her in a generic team and she will function similarly compared to when she is put in a specific team. Not the same for Musashi though. Put her in a generic team and she won't perform as well thanks to those 3 Buster cards.
The keywords were "in the current state of the game". That's why I said it applied to Musashi, because the current state of the game has Merlin as a support, and no Skadi. You don't have to use Merlin of course, but he's there and changes the landscape of the game by a fair bit, strongly favouring buster servants. Also, Okita does have one minor weakness, which is evident when compared to Jack. For both of them, quick is their best card. Jack has three of them and Okita has two. Also, Okita's stargen is lacking compared to Jack's so unlike Jack, she doesn't generate enough stars to reliably crit all the time. She's a little like Enkidu in that regard, in fact they generate a similar amount of stars without Enkidu's quick chain, and I know from experience using both of them that they aren't Jack level. These aren't huge problems though, she's fine as is, but could do with a little stargen support, which isn't that strong in the current state of the game. When Skadi comes along it'll be a different story of course.
Basically, my point is that they made a distinction between the more niche tier 2 servants and the tier 3 servants by the phrase "the current state of the game", in which Merlin and Waver are the best supports. One favours buster, while the other is generic support. I don't necessarily agree with the way they made their tier list by the way, just trying to rationalise some of the decisions they made. At the end of the day tier lists are useless anyway since the game has no competitive element.
Both will serve you well, it's more a matter of which you would prefer to have. If you can't afford both, go for the one you like more. Musashi is better for challenge quests, other than that Okita is great and will be better than she currently is once Skadi comes.
Though I like Musashi more, Okita's 4th ascension art is one of my favorites. and after using my last possible quartz and tickets on musashi and merlin, I have that to look forward to hopefully.
If you are not confidence for Okita in Gudo rerun event in this March, there may 2 extra rolling campaigns for her.
1st is "KYOMAF2017 Exhibit Commemoration Summoning Campaign" but it is a commercial event in JP, not sure if it coming in NA.
Another one could be 2020 May. It is her single rolling campaign, I highly recommend for that one because Skadi will also come in a period time of that, like 2020 July, probably. At that moment, Okita+Skadi+Waver/Merlin/Skadi will become soild. Thus far you can rely on Musashi+Merlin until Okita+Skadi available.
Honestly, Okita has more consistent np gain and star generation, but Musashi in a Buster (critical) team has another advantage is her ability for debuff-resistance/removing and enemy buff removing, Invincibility-ignoring. Her bond CE is also pretty good (probably one best self-buff type bond CE), then make her ranked a bit higher. Based on that, even facing other non-lancer class enemy, she is also pretty good DPS.
I would personally rate okita higher. A self sufficient kit and her stats which is built for star gen + crit + np spam. Basically the Jack of sabers.
Mushashi is a great 1 turn wonder. Maybe 2 at max due to the mushashi bug(needs RNG as u will need her arts card). I rate them the same tier as as well unlike gamepress. Maybe she's rated higher because of Merlin?
Seriously, if Okita and Musashi is one of your favorite servants then flip a coin to decide the result.
Both are strong saber, so no matter who you choose the chosen saber won't dissapoint you and FGO can be cleared by using 1-3 star servants only.
Roll who you like the most, if you still not sure because both saber is your favorite servants then flip a coin.
Bonus :
And here i look at peoples arguing while rekt things hard using Elizabeth as my Buster Crit saber 😂
i like both equally, and if baber and baber alter didn't exist i'd like one of them as my fav saber. okita cuz thighs, and musashi cuz she's pure buster.
if there was a 3 star female saber, i'd use her like i do my baber alter. but since there are not, i refuse to use them. 1. cuz i'm trying to harem it (limited number of dudes). and 2. again, baber alter is a servant.
I definitely don’t see the “one turn burst” with Musashi. Timing her first skill correctly can outdamage her NP by a decent margin. I have her equipped with either MLB First Sunrise or a CE boosting her buster and Crit damage. I also have two MLB 2030’s so I can make sure the rest of the party produces more than enough stars for her to consume. So using her first skill with at least 2 buster cards in there does more than her NP does, which I’ll usually fire off on the next turn. This isn’t even taking into account when I do use both my Merlin and Nightengale to boost her buster damage to insane levels.
Musashi also has a very high self buster boost, debuff removal, invulnerability pierce and invincibility, coinciding with Okita’s evade and Quick buffs. She certainly belongs in tier 2 before you take Merlin/Nightengale into account as supports. I don’t think Musashi should be considered a one turn burst servant. Musashi’s invincibility is only tied to her star gen, arguably not her most important feature where Okita’s evade is tied to her Crit damage which can make for a harder decision on whether to use it to evade an enemy NP or use it for her Crit buff. So Okita can certainly need to rely on supports as well and most of her kit can be considered selfish as well.
Though please don’t take any of this as me saying Okita does not belong in the same tier as Musashi does. She most certainly belongs. They damage in different ways, while I think Musashi has a higher ceiling, she takes more planning and a bit more RNG card luck than Okita. The only reason I went for Musashi instead of holding off for the next Okita banner is because I do have Merlin and Nightengale to boost her buster damage. As for Crits from Sabers, I’ll have to stick with Saberlot for that.
The problem with your analysis is that it is too conditional; that is, it relies on 2 MLB 2030's, Merlin, and Nightingale. Musashi is too reliant on drawing her lone Arts card and having a brave chain, along with her 1st skill active in order to generate NP and her 3rd skill to generate stars. Okita can do this without any of her skills active. Musashi is good, but she is not independent the way Okita is. With supports and the right card draws however, she can certainly outperform Okita. That is, until Skadi shows up.
