Gameplay wise? Grailing 5* is always a waste of grails no exception. They'll only gain 2 levels per grail, meaning they'll only gain ridiculously low stats per grail, barely affecting their performances.
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How useful is it to grail Raikou gameplay wise?
As the question asks, I want to know if it'll be useful to grail Raikou when she is released on NA. I'm planning to buy quartz until I get her as I need a good 5* zerker(plus waifu) and don't feel like rolling endlessly just for Cu. From what I've heard she's a generally good servant overall so I wanted to know how good it'd be to grail her.
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Don't listen to this. Grails exists just to make a characters stronger, no matter what rarity they are. Best way to use them is: a) grail servants you really like or b) grail very strong servants to make them even stronger. Raikou is an universal character because of class, so I don't really see any reasons not to grail her (if she's waifu and you don't have like Culter np2)... but first you should roll her). Beware that grails are the most rare and precious resource in the game and you don't waste them on something stupid because you can't undo it.
Good example of wasting grails: say you rolled 4* Alter. She is a very good saber and you grailed her to level 90. Some time passed and you rolled 5* Altria (which is better without grailes), or even a few Altria's just in random banners. Time passes, you get better servants, but grails cannot return so plan carefully. Aslo giving grails to near-10lvl-bond characters also a bad idea because you will just not use them in order to not to waste bond points.
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No he's right grailing her to 100 will only provide ~1100 attack which gives 2000-2900 extra damage on her NP(due to scaling the higher the NP level the more benifit you get from each attack point thus 2k at NP1 2.9k at NP5) at the cost of 5 grails. By contrast grailing a 4* berserker such as lancelot gets the same 1100 attack and a slightly smaller 1400-2400 extra NP damage(smaller than Raikou because his attack boosting effect and overall attack are smaller if he had a +30% skill instead of his +10% from overcharge it would be much more comparable) for just 2 grails. Thus using a grail on a 4* is just over twice as effective per grail when compared to doing the same on a 5*
Now does this mean you shouldn't do it? Not really if you think 1100 attack and an extra 2k damage on her NP will be worth it go for it especially for waifu reasons if you like her I mean I plan on grailing Ishtar to 100 which unless I get her past NP1 gives the same 2000 extra NP damage.
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The info about low stats is proved on FGO subreddit, please kindly do your research. And it was common sense shared along the veteran players that grailing 5* for stats is a pure waste. The servants who benefit the most from grail stats are few and none of them are 5*. The most effective way to use grails are to grail lower star servants to add more survivability so they can stand up better as main DPS.
Besides, grails in most cases really don't affect performances by huge margin. How much you do damage depends on buffs stacking more than raw stats. Why do you think a lot of people meme'd around with their grails or just grailed whoever servants they love despite grails being the rarest thing in the whole game? It's because grails barely matter in most cases. Grailing 5* so they are stronger? Yeah right, I mean, wasting 5 grails, the rarest material in the game for amount of stats almost equal to handful of fous you found everywhere sounds nice.
EDIT: Oh, also, I didn't say to not grail her. Gameplay wise, it's ineffective and a waste of grails, but, really, who cares about that, just grail whoever you wanted to grail, no harms would be done. This game isn't so punishing that you'll be dead just because you grailed the 'wrong character'. A lot of people grailed Gilles to 100 and still live with it. Grails are not something that make you win the game, it's strategy that makes you win.
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So in summary your point is quantity over quality. Why giving a 5 grailes to already strong 5* character when you can grail 4* with 2 grails but same result? That is a good and rational thinking but I see whole situation in a different way:
Say I have some grails, a 5* Gilgamesh and 4* EMIYA and Atalante.
From 5 grails Gilgamesh gets: 1162 atk, 1251 hp.
From 2 grails EMIYA gets 986 atk and Atalante gets 906 atk.
Just by simple math we can see who gets more stats for each grail... but this is not the main thing. From my perspective it's will be MUCH better to have a very strong 13,442 atk (without fous) Gilgamesh than a couple of strengthened middling's. So in sum my point is: why having a lots of a bit strengthened middling's when you can have 3-4 extremely strong servants with the highest stats in the game?
This is a rough example, sure both you and I can find examples where 4* is more preferred than a 5*. But as you already said - grails isn't that much of a deal gameplaywise. I play from day 1 on NA and still didn't used any grailes but I have no trouble at all in 6kk Shuten :3.
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Well if we're straying away from the original topic of grailing Raikou then I'll bring out Lu Bu who if grailed to 100 has the 6th hardest hitting NP(8th vs other fully grailed servants) in the game and given he'll be NP5 while as numbers 5-1 are going to be NP1 or 2 unless your a super whale its functionally the strongest actually why don't more people talk about this its kind of insane really... Anyways from a gameplay perspective he's pretty hands down the best choice for your grails especially since he gets class advantage on basically everything(he gets his 6th place rank before applying the berserker 1.5x modifier). Beowulf gets 3rd place(5th vs other lv100s) when grailed to 100 too though as most people won't have him NP5 Lu Bu will usually be stronger.
Jalter and Scathach are 1st and 2nd to no ones surprise with Scathach needing lv.100 and Jalter just needing NP5(or lv100 np2) to claim the title. Though for Jalter 99% of the time Berserks class advantage will mean she does less than Lu or Beowulf even if you do get. Even including bonus effects like anti-male Lu and Beo are still in the top 20 before adding their berserker bonus.
Well look at that I learned something from this, and also kinda wanna grail lu bu now... and wish I had an NP5 Beo.
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From your perspective every single rational player should have lvl100 Robin, Lu Bu, Euryale and Arash just because they do a lot of damage from NP. Also as you said NP2 Jalter takes 1st place... that's seem pretty doable to me. A couple of whale's and here you are - you got top-1 np-nuker =).
Anyway I don't really want to keeping argue with you guys, this topic is way to complex to just have one single correct conclusion. Some think that you should grail only 4* up to lvl 90, some grail Lu Nu, Robin of Arash just for high numbers of NP damage, some weirdos think that giving grails to waifu is some kind act of proving love, some think that grails should go straight to strongest 5*, and some just grail randomly or for memes (like Gilles caster). Who's right? Don't know. I started this conversation trying to proof that it's not a waste to grail 5*, but I can't really argue with raw damage numbers of lvl100 NP5 low star servants. The only argument that I can give is lvl100 low star servants wouldn't do much outside from NP-nuking and that you always have chances of getting more copies of golden characters as you keep playing, but I'm sure that it will not change your mind.
A guy who asked a question mentions that he likes Raikou, so why not grail her? She's a pretty strong and grails would add more SURVIVABILITY. In my opinion it will not be a waste.
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I clearly stated that stats don't matter, didn't I? The thing that matter is buffs stacking, however high your raw attack if you failed to buff, you'll still hit like a wet noodle. Also that 13k attack Gilgamesh will still lose against Arash when nuking even with his 6k attack, that's how negligible attack stats are. Want more example? Let's go to ST archer. Orion and Robin. Orion has 11k attack whereas Robin has that puny 7k attack, try to compare them. I'll gladly give my Robin if you want to try, he is only NP2 even, good enough for a 'fair comparison'. Sadly this isn't JP, I can show you how exactly my 'middling stat' Bedivere fares against the likes of Musashi and Okita.
Lastly, I hate to repeat myself but let me just state this once again. People who grailed their chars for stats are mainly only do that to add more SURVIVABILITY, meaning, they do that to add the servants' HP and NOT ATTACK.
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My friend showed me this, I think this is from Rashoumon rerun on JP, or so he said. This is a little 'proof' about how much Robin's NP can do with his puny attack stat, and all the more proof that the thing that matters is buffs stacking and NOT attack stats itself
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5 star aren't the best candidates for grails because they gain minimal stats per level. However, they will still have the best stats over grailed low rarity or even 4 star servants. Berserkers are good candidate because of their damage modifier which is 1.1x. Raikou will have at least 1000 HP and ATK additional if grailed to 100. That said, grail those who you really like and will use for a long time.
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