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Does Kaleid Sapphire CE actually stack with Chloe's event damage buff?

Does the +100% damage that Chloe naturally has actually stack with the +100% from a MLB Kaleid Sapphire? I could be wrong, but to me, it feels like she should be hitting harder than she is. This is purely anecdotal, but I think that my Kiyo Lancer is actually hitting harder with MLB Kaleid Ruby, than Chloe is with MLB Kaleid Sapphire. At the very least, Kiyos NP2 was hitting at least twice as hard against Blackbeard as Chloe's NP3 is hitting against Bluebeard. It's true that Kiyo had class advantage, but shouldn't Chloe's extra 100% damage basically be the same thing as class advantage?

Asked by Fear3d6 years 9 months ago
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by Rylai 6 years 9 months ago

Remember, Buster does more damage overall. Arts does less damage. And yes, it does stack. Tested it. With both Sapphire and her bonus event dmg against saber-type enemy at NP5, i did 1.2mil damage.

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Gotcha, thanks. I was unaware of the Noble Phantasm damage mechanics. After reading up on them, I agree that that's the major reason for the difference that I noticed.

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It should stack. She could be doing less damage since casters only do 90 % dmg

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by @tlas 6 years 9 months ago

Yeah. Keep in mind that Blackbeard’s weak against Buster, so an ST Buster Lancer will do a lot more with Kaleid Ruby also equipped.

Chloe can hit a Boss with Arts weakness like Phantom or Testament for 400k-600k roughly in an Arts NP Chain with Sapphire equipped and, yes, double that to an enemy that’s weak to Archers

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Yeah, I was talking about Kiyo vs Blackbeard and Chloe vs Gilles (Bluebeard). At first it threw me for a loop, because Kiyo was able to one-shot Blackbeard even at the last stage of the raid, but Chloe failed to one-shot Gilles even at the earliest stage of the raid. But I wasn't aware that buster NPs basically get an additional 50% damage modifier over arts NPs.

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Yes it does stack. You can see 2 "buff icons" on top of her HP bar right? And you can further confirm this by tapping her image above her HP bar to see her status.
it's coz Buster has a stronger damage modifier than Arts. not really sure if NP gets affected by buster chain tho
Lastly, you have to account the buffs and debuffs of the servants. Kiyo may have had a higher level'd Buster steroid than your Kuro's projection. + Kiyo's def down debuff.

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Their buffs were actually pretty comparable, because I was running both of them with the same supports. I think that Kiyo's buster buff is probably stronger than Chloe's arts buff, but since Chloe was NP3 and Kiyo was only NP2, I figured it should balance out. But I had forgotten that I was using Kiyo's defense debuff. I think that plus the extra 50% damage modifier from a buster NP basically covers the big difference that I was seeing between the two.

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Dont forgot that lancer's damage is 1.05x, but Archer 0.95x.

Also it seems Kiyo's Earth attribute deal 1.1 damage to Blackbeard as Man, but Kuro's Sky attribute deal 0.9x damage to Bluebeard as Man
According to https://www9.atwiki.jp/f_go/pages/304.html#id_4fab6dde
Although Wikia and Gamepress say different story..... I am kind to forget which side to trust, but Kuro and Kiyo's Sky or Earth are different versus Man.

Meanwhile, no evidence that Kiyo deal heavier damage because of her NP is buster card. Even though for a NP(B) leaded NPBBE brave buster chain, NP itself damage won't be affected, but later two buster card enhanced by the NP's effect as first bonus and buster chain.
It just like Shishou's NP is extremely high but a quick card. If she have a possible brave chain beside of her NP charged full, then B+NP+B could deal much heavier damage than NP+B+B, although two NP's damage are almost then same.

I hate Math, it is a bad civilization

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