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Cu Alter vs Jeanne Alter and Tier Ratings?

So it seems like the third banner of E Pluribus Unum may come out before the Counterfeit event and Jalter's banner, so Cu Alter and Jalter will potentially be back to back. My question is probably quite common, but I'd love to hear more opinions: Who is worth more investment to try and obtain and why? I know you should roll based on subjective preference and I do usually do that, but I also want to know who is considered the best gameplay-wise since they both seem like they will be the zenith of offensive power in the game thus far. In lore/history, character/personality and design preference I think Jalter may win out for me even though I like them both, but who is better overall for you all? I love hearing different opinions and perspectives, even if I do have a good idea regarding how they both function. Thanks everyone.

Extra, less significant question: Will Jalter be the first servant besides Zhuge Liang to go past the S tier rank on this site and join him at the top as an S+ servant? What do you guys think, is that likely?

Edit: Looks like I won't have to wait very long at all to see the second question answered, she's already on the site!

Asked by ArondightBolg287 years 3 months ago

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Jalter is an avenger, having strongest attack in the game, can abuse Waver and Merlin the most, have a nasty buster ST NP, pretty self sufficient kit as an offensive servant, good NP gain, her class is an avenger, meaning she can tank advent beasts no problem. All those things are good, really, almost have no weaknesses or whatsoever besides decent-ish star absorbtion if we are to look at her stat. But the thing is, she is an avenger. Her main niche is ruler/berserker killing. You won't find a lot of rulers outside nero fest, and everyone can kill berserkers, thus limiting her usefulness in general. Her highest attack rating becomes a joke when she could only deal normal damage against almost everything. She desperately needs buffs to be able to hit as hard as servants with class advantages. Well, in other words, to make her really work you need a very specific team comps for her and the right CE to do that (mainly Merlin + Waver and self designated enforcers ce, you gotta max Merlin's and Waver's skills to make her 'OP'), honestly she is not a f2p friendly servant.

Cu Alter is a berserker, boasting the 2nd highesr attack in the game, his kit geared heavily toward survival, 2 times evade + guts, not as unkillable as lancer cu, but pretty close, this completely erasing his class' biggest bane of dying quickly. As berserker, he has advantages against every classes, save for foreigners (which we wont see until later in Salem, in 2 years lmao). His weakness is (probably) decent-ish np gain and neglectable star absorbs. Also he has no atk buffs aside from his NP atk up (his Np is also a nasty buster ST NP, btw)
Unlike Jalter who needs specific support, Cu is a servant who could works really well with everyone. He doesn't need buffs to hit hard, even without buffs he would most likely outdamages everyone. Of course like his lancer counterpart, he also can solo reasonably well if you can handle him. Even for support, you don't need a 5* to babysit him, Shakespeare is good enough support for him

Overall, I think Cu is better, really. Jalter hype is cool and all, but everyone seems to forget the fact that she almost always have either Merlin or Waver alongside her, rip.

Thank you for your detailed response and covering both servants well!

Do you think Jalter needs Merlin or Waver because she's reliant on Buster-crit damage, since I hear that is basically the team composition which really makes her become extremely potent? With buster-critting, people seem to say that not having a class advantage is irrelevant because she still hits as hard anyway, so that's why she seems to be so vaunted, but I do get that she does require a certain setup, which Cu Alter doesn't seem to need.

All in all, I think you're spot on about Cu Alter being better in terms of singular use, he works well as an independent damage dealer and he looks like he'd be fantastic for challenges (like a stronger Herc in many ways), but since FGO is predicated upon team synergy and composition, I do still get why Jalter is so great, even with certain prerequisites. It's gonna be a hard choice, but I definitely want to roll for both now, and hope for the best, though I expect nothing.

Yes, she needs at least a Merlin or a Waver. I use her on JP, without one of them, she is a bit lackluster. AFAIK there are only 3 support servants that can support her well, they are Merlin, Waver and Andersen (I haven't used Sherlock, so, I don't know his synergy with her). They can give her both stars and crit damage she desperately needs. Jalter needs to be in Buster crit team because she needs to crits to deal great damage and when she gets the stars, yeah, like you said, class advantage doesn't matter anymore. But, like I said, the problem is, setting up buster crit team is annoying (especially for f2p) since you need Waver or Merlin at least (to provide the np charge they need, and you also need to provide stars, but Andersen can do this just fine)
Honestly the best way to use Cu is just place him at the very back of the team, like how you would use Herc, this is why, with him, team comp doesn't matter that much, he fits in any team possible.

Roll for both, if you get them, put them in one team.
Things will never go wrong with a team consists of Waver Merlin Jalter and Cu Alter, honestly
Wish you luck getting them!

I unfortunately do not have Waver (only have four SSRs currently in NA, Jeanne, Scathach, Jack and Arturia...and a level 90 Lancelot), so I guess Jalter wouldn't be as good in gameplay for me as her full potential could be (though at least I can just use supports, and my Hans as you said), but I still think I'll use most of my quartz on her since as I said in the initial post, I roll based on who I subjectively prefer first and foremost (which is why I am screwed since I want both Cu Alter, Jalter AND my favorite character from the exceptional F/Z, Iskandar, and they're all so damn close it seems). That being said, if Cu Alter comes first as I now expect, I will definitely grand roll at least 2-3 times for him because he clearly seems worth the effort.

Thank you for your kind wishes as well as your perspective on these servants, I wish you all the best too!

To some extent, you can actually use Jack for star gen, but, without star absorb CE, Jack will just dominate all the stars instead giving them to Jalter. Still can work though.
Go for it, my friend. Honestly, I'm a rolling for waifu person instead of gameplay (The servants I desperately want are Tomoe and Penthesilea, both of them 4*, rip, and also Scheherazade, the nominated worst caster, but she is a great waifu, so, who cares), so I really understand your sentiments
And thank you too! I hope this truly helps!

Thanks! I was thinking maybe 'Teacher and I' would work decently well on Jalter, give her some extra HP which she sorely needs while allowing her NP to be used earlier and giving that extra star weight. I don't know if 300% extra star weight will help much, but with Jack giving her the stars along with that CE, I feel like she'd get quite a lot of crits in because of how insane Jack's star gen is, which will further the chances of using her close to her full potential.

Of course, I don't even count on getting her, but it's still interesting to think about how she could work and with whom. I balance rolling for story reasons (including waifus/aesthetics/lore/history) and gameplay reasons, and Jalter ticks both those areas off strongly, so here's hoping. I will try for Cu a bit though like I said, let's just see if he actually comes out first like I anticipate.

All the best with your rolls!

I think that Jalter will be a S Tier not a S+ : she need a good team composition and stars to reach her max potential. Waver is good on any team.

Besides that, you don't want to roll for a servant that you will barely use (like me and MHX) as any specialzed servant will outdamage and last longer than Jalter. If you are against a quest full of lancers, I would bring Sabers and Berserkers, not an Avenger...

Gameplay wise, I would go for Cu Alter : high attack stats, effective againt all class, durable (2 Evade + Guts + decreasing enemy's attack stats), not limited...

Cu Alter definitely seems like he'd fit in better as a monster damage dealer no matter the team, but don't you think Jalter is generally as usable purely because of her high attack stat and lack of any weaknesses? I feel like she does need a certain team to function at her full power, but it also seems like she'd still do the requisite damage to be useful against almost any enemies and never actually hold back a team. The comparison I have sometimes seen from people is that she's like a berserker without the weakness against everyone, purely because of how high her damage is against almost everyone else.

That being said, I do think you're right about Cu Alter too, he's just easier to use and unbelievably durable for his attacking potency, that's a survivability level Jalter is nowhere close to it seems, even with his berserker class disadvantages.

Thanks for your response!

I think it also depends on who else you have.
For example I have Heracles, and from what I've seen so far, Cu Alter fills the same role as him.
Altough I don't have a support servant for Jalter, I have Jack who is one of the best star generators, and I can just use a friend's support.
And I also like Jalter a lot more.

Yeah, this is always a valid point, since FGO is a game about team composition over singular servant powers much of the time, and team dynamic matters a ton (as does subjective qualities like who your waifu or husbando is haha).

My strongest Berserker is Lancelot (grailed to 90), so I don't have Herc, which is why Cu Alter is great for me, since he'd fill in that role I sorely lack since Lancelot works differently than these two.

As for my SSRs, I have Jeanne, Scathach, Jack and Arturia, so someone like Jack would indeed be great for anyone relying on crits, so Jalter would at least benefit immensely from her, along with a support Waver as you said.

In terms of preference, I liked Cu Alter in America, both in design and due to his ridiculous power, but Jeanne Alter was just better, yeah, and I enjoy her design and history/lore more as well (and also a waifu), so I am still leaning towards wasting more of my rolls on her than him for sure currently. I just hope I get something, but the gacha is cruel.....

There's no way JAlter will be on Waver S+ tier. But, she's on top of S Tier for sure

We'll probably find out very soon since she's on the site already!

I would go for jalter. And for people saying that she is not s f2p servant these people need to search more. In JP many people use the combo merlin/hans or waver/hans and hans is a easy to get servant with high critical star generation utility for jalter. As or cu alter he is story locked and in Jp I got 2 of him acidentally rolling for others servants. Also you could make a good team if you have a hans and pick up a friend's waver.

I use Jalter and I can confirm that she is not f2p friendly.
Aside from supports, she needs a lot of setup. She needs crit stars, therefore she needs star gen. Andersen can cover this, but without at least one or two 2030 his support will be pointless since Jalter struggles to steal stars from him, Andersen's star absorb is almost twice as big as Jalter's. Jalter's 1st skill can clear this problem but only temporarily, you need to max it to use it more frequently, so until you max it, a star absorb CE is necessary
I don't think being reliant on specific CEs is f2p friendly, but of course, opinions might differ

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