My first question up here, please be gentle with me and excuse my dumb and awkward sentences.
So we all know that the Cu Alter banner is going to happen before the Da Vinci event, and I just happen to have enough SQ + Tickets for only one of the two upcoming Servants, either Jalter or Cu Alter.
So far I have been lucky enough to gather a decent roster, with Okita, Altera, Arjuna, Drake, Waver, and Kintoki. My playstyle is more of a steady one, I would use the first two rounds to gather NP and fire them all in one go at the Boss round. Plus I have friends who have amazing Jacks and Waver.
With the above preconditions, I just wonder which Servant would I be able to make the best use of ?
Thank you for your time and Please help me settle this question.
Edit: I also have a 2030 CE as well as a maxed out Chorus CE which helps improving Star weight.
I say go for Jalter not just because I’m biased but bc Kintoki is already a beast zerker. Plus by virtue of not being weak to everything jalter has better survivability. Altera is your nuclear bomb as far as attack goes so go for something unique. Sure, avenger is only useful against ruler but I’d rather have jalter than a dead cu :)
I have heard that Kintoki will eventually lose his usefulness as the game progresses due to future bosses’ high HP pool and his paper defense, so I’m kinda tempted to invest into Cu. But Jalter’s crits are just too good to pass also ...
From my opinion I would go for Cu alter as he is one of the best berserkers of the game with advantage over every class till this day in NA,sure he is not a critical damage dealer as Jalter but he is one of the best boss killers in the game and require less support than Jalter to destroy enemies so I would go for Cu alter
Pd:yeah Jalter has better survivability but the point of a zerker is to destroy his enemy as fast as possible and Cu alter makes an excellent job at it
I'm sorry but, Cu Alter actually has better survivability than Jalter, despite being berserker. PFA and Battle Continuation (and his Bond CE) grants him the survivability he needs to kill bosses even in solo cases. His HP is pretty high and his first skill prevents surprise criticals coming from your enemy. Despite being a berserker, the only one who can matches him (and beat him) in term of survivability is Heracles (with bond CE) and the original Cu, Jalter couldn't even compare.
While Jalter doesn't have many class disadvantages, her hp is cripplingly low and surprise criticals can kill her very easily without supports. Her invincibility skill hurts her more than anything in term of survivability as it gives her 1000 hp loss on her already very low HP (and it's tied with Mana Burst, so it's harder to decide between using the skill to survive or to attack).
Soloing with Cu Alter is very possible whereas soloing with Jalter isn't.
Ironically, Cu Alter has better survivability due to his skills which more than make up for taking extra damage, just like Heracles or FSN Cu who can solo better than many SSRs despite lower star stats.
JAlter's HP is very low among SSRs with her Invincibility skill tied to a damage boost. Added to the fact that her highest damage comes from crits and she needs more support than Cu Alter for normal attacks (Jalter generates NP faster though). You'll get a dead Jalter more often than a dead Cu if you level & use the right timing for skills.
Good point, but considering the dude above has and Okita and Waver (not to mention he specifically said he want a unit who will synergies with them the most), I’ll go for Jalter. Her self mod (an extremely op skill that last 3 turns and her 3rd buster improvements skill, along with wavers first skill (which just increases the damage dealt by crit once again), and Okitas crit gen, is just going to be dream for players who loves to oneshot bosses for 3 turn straight. Or use 2030 and that’ll be good enough already.
Sure, Cu is definitely a soloer, but his damage dealing isn’t as powerful compared to Jalter on a team.
Looks like we're in agreement then: Cu survives better, Jalter's damage reaches insane levels with more team support. I also never suggested to roll for Cu over Jalter, I don't have a preference & alternate both for various situations thanks to friends in JP.
I tried Jalter+Okita+support Waver on JP and while it's perfect in theory, every card using Okita to get stars reduces the number of Jalter's attacks. On the rare Quick chain with 2 Okita cards ~40 stars are produced, and Okita herself will still take some of these next turn with Jalter's Self Mod up. These limit how much buster crit damage Jalter does in the 3 turns where her crit steroid is up. Optimal teams for Jalter involve passive star gen, with at least 1 Merlin and/or 2030, which is a future gamble for 5 stars - I still don't have 2030 in JP :(
Whereas Cu+Waver+Support Nightingale/Waver is consistently strong from now to the future despite lower burst damage than Jalter meme teams. Cycle in those Servants with class advantage to crush enemies double-time.
Yeah, I tried getting 2030 as well on the Scathach banner but not a single one to my name has appeared. I do see the weaknesses in the team comp I suggested, but I’ll just assume he has a 2030 lurking around somewhere. After spending my little 150 sq to roll for Jalter, it’s going to be a pain in the arse to get summer autoria and ruler Martha.
Actually, using Okita with Jalter is a bit problematic since without her 1st skill, Okita will just hog the stars for herself, limiting her damage overall. Besides, the one turn star drop and one turn crit playstle of the team will just limiting Jalter's damage even more. Not counting the randomness of getting Okita's quick to generate the stars. Waver without 2030 couldn't erase the problem at all, you need 2030 to patch it (not fix it, only patch)
Rather than using Okita, using Andersen would be more favorable actually, since he has basically almost everything Jalter needs. Stars? Yes. Crit damage? Yes. Hp regen to erase her demerit? Yes.
In Waver + Andersen + Jalter team, you can at least spam the art chains while you wait for the skill cooldowns while occasionally buffing/debuffing with Waver and Andersen's np. Doing this is not possible with Okita.
Imo if you really want to use Okita, with Jalter, go for another star gen instead of Waver. That will keep the star counts high, even with Jalter's pitiful star absorbs she can at least steal some good stars even without her first skill (this is the reason why Okita + Jack + Jalter team actually works). Of course, a star absorb CE is always welcome, with it, she can at least stand toe to toe with Okita in term of absorbing stars, and she can monopolize the stars when her first skill is active.
Actually, I do own a 2030 CE as well as a maxed out Chorus CE from the Assassin Shiki event which helps increase star weight.
They are both extremely good servants all around, but if you want a consistent damage dealer, I’ll recommend going with Jalter. Not only does she has a powerful charisma skill that also benefits saberfaces, but she even boast a invincibility skill that increases her buster up to 50%, which is just insane. The real icing on the cake is her Self Modification Skill, which makes her absorb stars and hits like a nuke for 3 turn straight. Her NP gen is very good (she even boast 2 arts card and 2 passive skills that helps with NP gen) and her attack is the highest in the game. Her Avenger trait gives her virtually no real weaknesses (except against moon cancer in the future).
However, her survivability isn’t as good as Cu (his 2 skills and CE are just incredible for survivability) and his damage is pretty much on par with Jalters. However, is NP gen is pretty uneven because of his one art card but if you have a NP CE then you can fix that problem. His first skill, is also incredibly strong and serves to weaken the amount of damages dealt by the oppenent to your units.
However, looking at your units (Okita and Waver). It’s most definitely going to benefit Jalter the most. Okita will be used to generate a decent amount of crit stars at the very least for Jalter to absorb with her self modification for 3 turns straight. Waver can easily bolster Cu alter and Jalter’s NP, but the real difference is Wavers first skill (which increases the amount of crit damage she doesn’t on top of her first skill). Taking that and her 3rd skill into factor, she’s capable of one shotting almost any units for 3 turns without relying on her NP. In fact, there are a good amount of instances where her normal buster chain does hundreds of thousands more damage.
