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If you can have only one Part 8: Rama Vs Salter (Altria Alter saber)

*You can only have one Servant on your roster and never the other
*Decisions can’t be based on waifu/husbando material. It’s all about their skills, teamwork and all that
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*I’ve seen some posters say they were late to the debate on some, but I don’t count the votes till the next one goes up. And if people jump in now they may look back at the old ones, so please feel free to add your vote whenever!

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Asked by capize016 years 6 months ago
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I personally went back and forth on this one for a bit. I usually tend to side with the servant with the large Crit potential. Also, Altria is an AOE Buster, which isn’t rare among the saber class exactly.

But the problem is, she is just SO good at what she does. The damage from her NP is incredible and scales well if you can get her past NP1. The return NP is a nice little bonus off her NP as well as she isn’t the quickest at filling her bar. She can create some stars to help the team and has your average, team wide 3 turn attack buff. With her Charisma buff on her NPBB chain is incredibly damaging.

Rama’s NP boost against demonic is a nice added bonus, but it hurts him against other enemies. While he has the potential to out damage Salter, his Crit Damage bonus, which is substantial at 50-100%, is only 1 turn. So more needs to line up there. Plus while his skills are on cooldown, he’s a little less useful.

I flopped here and there cause as I said, there are a decent amount of AOE Sabers, and buster based ones at that. But she is a 4* so she is a better chance to get and it saves me some cost points when forming my team.

I actually think Rama is a really good servant though and I’m interested to see if he gets much love here. Salter is the easier pick, and mine lol, but I can see Rama’s potential being higher. Salter is very basic, just very good at what she does. Want to see if anyone has some team comps that makes Rama more useful to them.

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Rama probably. Intuition is such a bad skill that Salter might as well only have two of them, whereas Rama has three good ones; a weight up/crit up, and a survival skill, along side his better charisma skill. Rama is also really good at killing Bicorns, cuz they are affected by the bonus versus demons. Salter may have an NP regen on her NP, but so does almost every other Altria and Mordred, so shes not really special in that regard.

In essence Rama cuz he has better skills and fills a role that no other servant really does right now, as opposed to Salter who's skillset is meh outside of manaburst, and is one of many AOE farming Sabers

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Rama.

While not the absolute best as an ST crit Saber (Lancelot does better though he is Arts-centric rather than Buster) I'd pick him over Saber Alter due to better overall damage and an additional survival skill. His crit buffs only work for one turn but, when used right, it may be more than enough to make a lasting difference especially with an NPBB crit chain.

Salter, on the other hand, is so vanilla that even without her there are other AoE Buster Sabers to take her place. Similar to Rama, her niche is pretty much a one-turn burst only in AoE form for the most part. Rama lacks her Buster buff, but Rama's crits will hit harder than her Buster buff can make up for outside of NP damage.

So yeah, Rama gets this point from me.

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I personally vote Rama.

In favor of Alter, she definitely has plenty of upsides and is extraordinary in what she specializes in. Mana Burst is a cornerstone in her kit and boosts her already great AOE damage even further, allowing her to annihilate waves of enemies. However, Intuition is not exactly a great skill, and brings her down in addition for her lack of defensive skills to compensate for her low health and vanilla kit.

On the other side of the coin, Rama is a rare case as an ST Saber with Charisma like Alter, but possesses skills that edge him out. His Guts skill comes with a passive heal, and enables him to stay alive in tough situations, and despite his low NP gain, his crit skill compensates, with the ability to suck up stars and dish out a flurry of damage, not to the same extent as Lancelot, but with great efficiency nonetheless due to his ability to chain Busters.

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as said before, i've grailed my baber alter to 100, but since this is based off purely gameplay and not waifu, i'll answer as such.

first skills - rama would be the better servant overall ONLY bcuz of baber alter's crappy intuition skill. that skill drastically lowers the overall potential of baber alter. if she had later's powered up intuition skill or even and np generating skill, i'd say baber alter, but since she doesn't, i'm saying rama solely cuz of his skills.

gameplay - they are totally different in what they're used for.... rama is boss killing, baber alter is for farming. as 4*, there is no better farming saber than baber alter. she out preforms and hits harder than any 4* farming saber, event if you don't use skills. rama isn't even the best boss killing saber (papalot), though chaining his buster would hit more kinda, and he could be brought on challenge quests.

ugh.. honestly i prefer baber alter cuz of the fact fgo is 95% farming and she is just amazing at that. even if the enemies are at 100k hp. pair her up with merlin or waver and she can get that.

however that other 5%, rama is better.. but since 95 > 5, baber alter is my pick.

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by Exa 6 years 6 months ago

i was about to say rama but, as alweys, direct competition in their role kind of changed my mind at the last second.

This seam odd, becouse Salter have waaaaaaaaay more competition for what she do then rama.
Rama is the only ST Buster crit servant in the game, but we have, what? like 8 other aoe Saber? 3 in highter rarity then salter?
If we stop here, the discussion is over. no metter if she is better then rama in any way, you can simply use someone else.

But, salter is one in a kind actually.
She have insane aoe damage.
we all know about thet right?
In the game we have insane single target damage, but not thet good aoe damage.
Just think about it, with how many berserker (or avenger jan) can i change rama and kill the same boss with the same chain (and sometime, even less setup).
But how many servant can do 150k aoe damage on a weave?
In many event the last weave is composed by 3 enemy, and sometime they have over 100k hp. salter can do the job better then most of other.

it may sound strange, but despite being vanilla and offering nothing new to the game, she actually outclass her competition in thet role.
in comparision, rama is the better servant , but saber alter will alweys be able to do something other similar servant cant do.
So she get my vote.

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by Zhiroc 6 years 6 months ago

I don't currently have either, and since I don't have my own gold saber (well, other than Liz), I go to my friends list a lot. And while I can't count the times I've used Salter, I can probably count on one hand the times I've picked Rama, and maybe that count is like one finger.

Why? I guess I'd have to say that on paper, there aren't lots of times when I'd pick him as my ST saber. Lancelot usually gets the nod here. I don't come up against many demonic lancers that really require his NP special damage. Very few servants (or any?) are demonic, and they tend to be the bosses of most events.

I get so few gold servants that I would prefer to have more general purpose ones, and to me, that's Salter.

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