[Spoiler] Camelot singularity
Okay so I’ve just played through Camelot and I have a question.
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Did Mordred kill Artoria in that singularity? She’s the same Saber that we know right except Bedivere just didn’t return Excalibur so she didn’t die? Where did Rhongomyniad come from? And is the Mordred in this singularity a Servant? If so, she should have been killed by Artoria at the Battle of Camlann first right? Then got summoned back as a HS? I’m so confused.
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Sorry I’ll fix that. I just assumed that most people would have finished Camelot by now due to Babylon coming up.
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what bothers me on this singularity is why mordred doesnt remember me from london... But maybe its just me...
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Same. Tho there are several theories for this I think. First is that Camelot Mordred was summoned before London Mordred so that’s why she has no memories of us and second is that it’s a different summon so she has can’t recall her previous summon. There’s probably more theories but these two were the only ones I remembered.
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IIRC the original lore (before F/GO), when HS is summoned in servant class, servants gain their memory up to heroes death. Only exceptions were CG and Saber Arturia, because she made a pact with the world.
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So does that mean, 2 different Mordreds are summoned? Like CaMordred is alive in Camelot Singularity while LonMordred is also alive in London Singularity at the same time?(Camordred is summoned more earlier before london mordred though ryt?) Are they allowed to do that? Uh...
Forget I said that. . . It's all good, I guess?
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Mordred struck a killing blow to artoria but because bedivere didn’t return Excalibur she survived. As for the lance artoria always had the lance but preferred Excalibur. However during her battle with Mordred she used the lance instead of the sword.(not sure why she did that.) Then after artoria survived for a long time because of the lance and sword she made her way to the singularity where she used her power to summon her knights including Mordred. That’s about all I know for the story. Hope that cleared it up a little.
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Maybe the author made artoria use the lance to kill mordred so it would be more true to the Arthur Story? I mean I saw a painting/picture of King Arthur killing Mordred with a lance on google when I was searching for Arthurian Legends. It's just my opinion though. Additionaly iirc in apocrypha, mordred disarmed Him/her excalibur so she killed him/her with a lance. I may be wrong though.
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How did she made her way to the singularity tho? And, did Britain fall (since she survived and all)? Cuz Mordred’s rebellion was a key factor in its fall right? But she’s apparently continues to still be king after that. And Camelot somehow is still there too.
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Real Camelot was destroyed. Basically, Artoria survived and became a goddess.
Another thing is that they are not in Britain! That place is Jerusalem, Chaldea team was supposed to fight some crusaders but the bad guys were already dead when they arrived thanks to The Lion King and her knights.
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People die when they are killed, if Artoria didn't die on that timeline, then Mordred didn't kill her technically. She destroyed the kingdom though.
Rhomgomyniad is another weapon that she had, i think Merlin gave it to her casually so she could defeat Vortigern.
Everyone is a servant except The Lion King and Bedivere, they are in the middle of Jerusalem and The Lion King summoned the Knights of the Round as servants to assist her...that includes Mordred. Galahad and Bedivere were the only knights that didn't answered the summon, Bedivere was still alive on that timeline and Galahad is basically a divine spirit (Jesus Christ, the knight).
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Didn’t Galahad not answer her summons because he was technically already in Mash?
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Yeah, that works. I think they never explained why Galahad wasn't summoned, being inside Mash makes sense.
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well, yes and no actually. since chaleda is in a different time of the camelot singularity, and the throne of hero is out of normal time, it is possible to be summoned 2 time in the same place, even more in 2 different time.
More then thet, servant summoned from the throne are not the original hero (except for few case like arturia in the original f/sn), but a "copy" of the original hero placed inside a well made doll. so is possibile to have 2 galahad in the same time
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Servant cant be summoned unless they answer the call, so galahad could have simply refused, meaby becouse he know thet " he" would have came anyway (as a mashknight)
For bedivere, there is not much to say actually. The lion king have forgotten of him, and he himself was not a servant before the end of thet singularity
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Anyone know why exactly Lion King Arturia forgot Bedivere? I don't think that's actually ever explained. She remembered him when he finally confronted her and showed off Airgetlam/Excalibur, so it seemed like a deliberate action on her part to forget Bedivere, perhaps for disobeying her orders to return Excalibur and forcing her to wonder the Earth while being unable to die?
Also, the Lion King is a different version from the Arturia Lancer version you summon, isn't she? In that the latter wielded the lance while the Lion King is just OG Saber who took up the lance as her weapon in the years since Bedivere disobeyed her orders, right?
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Most of her memories were supressed by Rhongomyniad. Her personality and memories are distorted by the spear, a great part of her character is that she doesn't think or feel as a human anymore. That's why her official boss name is Goddess Rhongimyniad and not "Artoria Pendragon (Lancer)". She only recovers her Artoria side when Bedivere makes her remember by giving her Excalibur.
Yeah, that's pretty much it about the summonable Artoria Lancer.
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Cursed Arm Hassan also wasn't a Servant; he was the actual Hassan of that era, hence why he didn't disappear after everything was settled.
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Lets see. its actually pretty simple.
1- Did Mordred killed arturia?. well, yes and no. She killed her, and she was killed by the lance, but becouse bedivere failed to return the sword, her spirit ended up fused whit the lance (not gonna write thet long ass name) and she somewat survived. so she is death becouse of moldred and becouse eventually bedivere will return the sword, but she is partially alive becouse of the lance.
2- is she the same saber? the answer is no. she was the same saber up to thet point (her death), but she is no more thet person.... we can say she is the same but she changed a lot.
3.Lance R. In the arturian legend king artur killed moldred whit a lance, after moldred disarmed him.
4- Moldred is a servant ? yep, she was summoned whit normal ritual. only bedivere, the lion king, king hassan are not servant.
5- Was moldred killed by artur? Yes, the time order of the event is not changed. this is not a "what if" or " alternative reality" . this is simply a part of the story we dident know before.
Lancelot betreyal, Moldred insurrection, battle of Camlann , moldred death, Arthur on the hill make the pact whit the counter force , F/SN event, arthur return and accept his ending, bedivere try to save him, he dident return the sword, she survive and become the lion king. Then when bedivere returned the sword, the lion king disappered.
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